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it wasn't really in any order when i listed it. i just threw names out. there is no question Durant >>>>>>>> George
Could you imagine? Duncan would let anybody post him up in that situation.
Christ.
it wasn't really in any order when i listed it. i just threw names out. there is no question Durant >>>>>>>> George
LMAO using PER to say he is a top 5 SF.
Its really easy to look efficient and good when the majority of defensive attention is first going to Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili, then to deadly shooters like Green and Mills. Leonard SHOULD be producing efficiently. There is almost no pressure on him at any point. It's not like he is ever asked to go out there and lead the offense and be the main guy. He is basically playing cleanup for everyone. He is extremely well rounded and a decently polished player, but gets massively overrated. If he were put in the same position as guys like Gay, Johnson, or Pierce, where he is counted on to generate the offense, and the majority of defensive attention is focused on him, his efficiency would almost certainly drop heavily.
If he was being used as the #1 option and still had this high of a PER, then he would certainly have a case. But being that he is far down the line in terms of where opposing teams focus their defense, trying to compare his efficiency stats to other guys who receive the majority of defensive attention is absolutely re ed.
Facts are facts. I mean I have photographic evidence that even zbo is a butt pirate
Double edged sword. A guy that low on the totem pole as you claim wouldn't have enough productivity to warrant a high PER, efficiency aside
He grabbed Duncan from behind and around the waist, 21. He nuzzled his face in Duncan's neck and whispered "Does Amy know?". Duncan was speechless, but comforted. He has always preferred the touch of a man.
Let us proceed...
So you honestly think the majority of opposing defenses are more worried and gameplan more heavily for Leonard, than they gameplan for Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, and the deadly 3pt shooting?
Oh were at the phase of the argument where you just make up? Ok
Face it, 21, two men don't embrace like that without romantic feelings. He's being held like a man holds his pregnant wife while Amy is stuck with her mariglade and a lover. Your Duncan loves the touch of men and you're running from the fact like a true spursfan.
Look at ya.
People bring up Leonard's teammates and the system as if they're helping him lol, the only guy I see making an effort of actually getting him the ball is Duncan and a few bench guys, or even setting screens for him on a consistent basis. He gets 0 help from Pop out there, he's found a way to succeed in a system that he doesn't fit in, a coach that refuses to call plays for him, and teammates that refuse to pass him the ball. This guy is a great player period.
Defensively he can guard practically any player, we've seen him on Gasol, Griffin, Nowitzki, Paul, George, LBJ, etc.
What style?
Aside from your obvious hate for Tim Duncan, are you really trying to convince anyone that David Robinson is gay? Seriously? I think you must have hit your head harder than you realize. It is one thing to hate a team and its players, but it is another thing to sink so low as you do. You would cheerfully ruin someone's reputation without a qualm,wouldn't you? Grow up for heaven's sale.
Last edited by Spurcase; 04-11-2014 at 04:57 PM. Reason: Left out something.
nope. i have been saying that every NBA player is gay. not hiding from any facts
where did i say that? i think you missed the entire point of my post. read it again.
I hope Rob wore a glove that night, 21, Ribbed for Dunc's pleasure. Lord knows he deserved it for saving the franchise.
considering the entire NBA is gay, i'm sure they know how to treat each other
You can't beat stats. In any system, every player's statistics change. It doesn't matter. Kawhi Leonard is posting the numbers so it speaks for itself. The diluting and sampling size of his player ratings is more than fair.
Free wheeling, wild transition. Jacking 3's. Harden iso's and pnr.
Spurs play uptempo but focus on corners 3's, great ball/player movement.
In other words schoolyard ball led by a ty coach. A greenlight.
Makes no sense. If you play within a system, and can't create for yourself outside it, that would lead to inflated stats. If they had a system, his stats might go up.
Oh okay, sorry for that. Mea culpa
From what I read, you appeared to say that if he is that low in the order of defensive attention, that he would not be capable of producing enough to warrant the high PER that he has. Thus my question.
If that is not what you meant, then perhaps you should have worded it differently because you did a miserable job of clarifying your point.
Either way, my question still stands, regardless of your point. Do you honestly think that teams in general are game-planning defensively for him, ahead of any of those other things I listed?
It's easy to have higher efficiency when you are lower on the totem pole like Kawhi is. However PER takes into account both efficiency as production. Volume matters as well. And not just wen it comes to points which seems to be your central argument
Philip has a point, and spurfans do vastly overrate Kiwi. Don't get me wrong--he is a good player, but Pop's system makes nobodies into rotational players, so it's only logical to assume that it would do the same for Kiwi.
No one said he doesn't have good numbers or decent volume. Did I ever say that at all? All I implied is that since so much defensive attention is first given to Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili, then to the 3pt shooting, that KL gets lots of very open and easy looks. He does a great job of converting the open opportunities he gets, and certainly deserves credit for that. But I don't see him consistently upholding that type of efficiency or those PER ratings if more defensive attention gets directed to him. Spurfans definitely overrated him massively, which is nothing we don't expect, considering how basically every season over the past 10 years, there is some role player that half the fanbase is 100% certain will be a future all-star in the league (often due to Pop knowing how to maximize talent better than anyone as sook referenced), whether its Devin Brown, Fabricio Oberto, Beno Udrih, Roger Mason, George Hill, DeJuan Blair, James Anderson, or Kawhi Leonard.
Leonard is a very solid role player. Very solid. But nothing more than that. He isn't a star.
Pop's system hurts Leonard's game more than it helps it, tbh, see: Richard Jefferson..
Pop's system is extremely overrated..
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