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    In a way linked to this dispute? No.
    failure to answer question, duly noted.


    He was not the one who made the initial order off of federal land so again besides the point.
    another failure to answer question, again noted.



    The project again is south of Lake Mead.
    The question clearly mentions nothing of Lake Mead and specifically states Nevada. Trifecta of failure to answer noted once again.

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    You can just bold yes or no, fine with me.

    Three simple yes or no questions and you failed to answer a single one. Try again, yes or no will suffice.

    Has Harry Reid been linked to numerous scandalous land dealings in Nevada yes or no?

    Is Harry Reid's senior advisor now the director of the BLM yes or no?

    Is Harry Reid's son representing a firm with a $5 billion dollar project in Nevada yes or no?

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    failure to answer question, duly noted.

    another failure to answer question, again noted.

    The question clearly mentions nothing of Lake Mead and specifically states Nevada. Trifecta of failure to answer noted once again.


    Your using guilt by association smear tactics. It's a common PR ploy and you are parroting it. Whatever.

    I don't think as you do and cannot dumb myself down to binary thinking like that. I also understand the nature of a loaded question. By answering yes or no without qualification it provides the illusion that I agree with the premise that the project south of lake mead has anything to do with this or that Reid's ex-aide is specifically directing this. We get that you want to link it to your political opponents. You want a bridgegate but this doesn't have legs, sorry, Alex.

    If something new comes up I will comment but youre being dumb and I don't have the patience for it right now.

    The answers were germane.

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    By answering yes or no without qualification it provides the illusion that I agree with the premise that the project south of lake mead has anything to do with this or that Reid's ex-aide is specifically directing this.
    Your head in the sand is duly noted.

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    I've never once been in on any conspiracy theories thrown around here on the board, not once, so to be labeled a twoofer is odd.

    Anyone who doesn't think Harry Reid is a crook is blind. It's scary he's been in power this long after everything he has been linked to in Nevada, even scarier he's the third most powerful person in office right now.
    Reid is a bag, and part of the problem. This political class is part of the reason it now takes 20 years for government to act on somebody clearly breaking the law.

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    Reid is a bag, and part of the problem. This political class is part of the reason it now takes 20 years for government to act on somebody clearly breaking the law.
    If these tactics were being used against someone who was refusing to turn over illegal aliens for deportation, I doubt you would be throwing up "the law" as the ultimate arbiter of wrong and right.

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    If these tactics were being used against someone who was refusing to turn over illegal aliens for deportation, I doubt you would be throwing up "the law" as the ultimate arbiter of wrong and right.
    You would be wrong. I've stated many times that as a legal immigrant, I hate illegal immigration. It's a bull shortcut while I had to spend a lot of time and money to do things the right way.

    It's also a completely different thing of what I think about the topic politically (vs legally). I'm fully aware we're surrounded by illegal immigrants, and the demographics dictate that politicos cater to some of these people and their families or be at a disadvantage.

    I don't like it, but that doesn't mean I'll stop paying 5% of my federal taxes (or whatever percentage USCIS/DHS takes from the budget), because I know I'll get nailed to the tree of woe.

    I have my vote, and that's what I'll use. If I have some extra disposable income and feel strongly enough about it, then I might back up some candidate that thinks alike financially. Those are the tools at my disposal right now.

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    Reid helped good friend and bigtime lawyer/lobbyist Harvey Whittemore procure environmental waivers for the Coyote Springs golf and residential development, a short distance from the Bundy Ranch. L.A. Times did a big expose on Reid and Coyote Springs special deals for Whittemore. Reid was happy to let Brightsource propose to cover 8,300 acres of tortoise land of the 42,000-acre Coyote Springs. These included powerline changes and most importantly, a land swap with BLM for Desert Tortoise land. Whittemore claims Harry had nothing to do with the dubious Tortoise landswap. Whittemore will be serving two years for illegal contributions to Reid.
    Nice stealth copy and paste btw.

    Why not link your bull ? Oh because it's http://www.futurnamics.com/about.php that guy.

    I think I may pick up his survival gardening book.

    Do you have anything more credible? Something this big and survival guy selling 'obama's fault' t-shirts is the only one you can find? That is enough legs for you to decide?

    You should be ashamed of your source. You should have better standards for verification than that.

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    If these tactics were being used against someone who was refusing to turn over illegal aliens for deportation, I doubt you would be throwing up "the law" as the ultimate arbiter of wrong and right.
    You can tell a lot about a person themselves by what they expect someone else to do.

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    I think it's bull the DMV charges $50 per car for a card and a license to drive my car every 2 years.... or $120 for a booklet with a photo to travel out of the country...

    But nobody in their right mind doesn't pay the fees and expect not to get in trouble when they drive or travel. It's just common sense.

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    I think it's bull the DMV charges $50 per car for a card and a license to drive my car every 2 years.... or $120 for a booklet with a photo to travel out of the country...

    But nobody in their right mind doesn't pay the fees and expect not to get in trouble when they drive or travel. It's just common sense.
    He says he will pay but just not the feds. He wants bigger herds and the feds are saying that the land out there cannot sustain over 150 head. It's a ing desert.

    He stopped paying when they dropped the allotment to 150 cattle.

    https://fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOC...ev3_006519.pdf

    Back in the 1970s they mostly had sheep. Mind you its a desert so 1000 cattle is going to have to range over a huge area and destroy all the scrub. He has been ranging outside of his allotment as well.

    Maybe he is a descendant of Ted Bunker himself ordained by Brigham Young to settle the lands as promised by God but honestly him. It's not his land.

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    Where the is CosmicCowboy in this? He's has stock. I would be interested to hear his take.

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    You would be wrong. I've stated many times that as a legal immigrant, I hate illegal immigration. It's a bull shortcut while I had to spend a lot of time and money to do things the right way.

    It's also a completely different thing of what I think about the topic politically (vs legally). I'm fully aware we're surrounded by illegal immigrants, and the demographics dictate that politicos cater to some of these people and their families or be at a disadvantage.

    I don't like it, but that doesn't mean I'll stop paying 5% of my federal taxes (or whatever percentage USCIS/DHS takes from the budget), because I know I'll get nailed to the tree of woe.

    I have my vote, and that's what I'll use. If I have some extra disposable income and feel strongly enough about it, then I might back up some candidate that thinks alike financially. Those are the tools at my disposal right now.
    Fair enough. I don't agree with your view but I accept that you are be intellectually honest. I don't think that applies to some of the other posters on this thread.

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    ...but I accept that you are be intellectually honest. I don't think that applies to some of the other posters on this thread.
    Agreed. TSA is all over the map in this thread.

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    Found a copy of the latest court order:

    Finally, the Court finds that Bundy’s objections to the United States’ Motion, many of which have been disposed of in prior proceedings, are without merit. The Court has stated unequivocally on numerous occasions that it has jurisdiction to hear this case, and that the Allotment is owned by the United States and managed by the DOI through the BLM and the NPS. Bundy’s repeated suggestions to the contrary are entirely unavailing.
    http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medial...%2010-9-13.pdf

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    U.S. Agency Backs Down In Standoff With Cattle Rancher

    Cliven Bundy, a Nevada rancher who refuses to pay grazing fees for the use of federally protected land, seems to have won at least a reprieve in his fight against the Bureau of Land Management. The agency has reportedly rounded up hundreds of Bundy's cows and impounded them.
    The BLM announced Saturday that it will stop its operation targeting Bundy's cattle, citing safety concerns. But officials maintain that the rancher still owes more than $1 million in unpaid fees that date back more than 20 years.
    "The BLM will continue to work to resolve the matter administratively and judicially," the agency said in a news release issued today.
    The agency's partial withdrawal comes as a heated debate continues over Bundy's use of the land – and over the BLM's decision to take the cattle. The rancher and his family say the government went too far in its efforts; last week, he with the agency over the situation.
    "People are getting tired of the federal government having unlimited power," Bundy's wife, Carol Bundy later .
    One of Bundy's sons was arrested the day after the roundup began in a rural area about 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas on April 5; another son was reportedly tased during a clash with police Wednesday.

    the BLM wants to proceed with the sale of the cattle already gathered during the roundup but is reportedly willing to share the revenue from the sale with Bundy.

    "People are getting tired of the federal government having unlimited power," Bundy's wife, Carol Bundy later .

    ( , a lot of us are getting tired of you rednecks having unlimited stupidity)

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...m_campaign=app

    So Bundy has had his cows confiscated. Looks like the govt will sell them to cover some of the unpaid $1M. 900 x $1000, getting pretty close. They ought to stick also him with the cost of enforcement, like rape victims have to pay for their rape kits.

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    So Bundy has had his cows confiscated. Looks like the govt will sell them to cover some of the unpaid $1M. 900 x $1000, getting pretty close. They ought to stick also him with the cost of enforcement, like rape victims have to pay for their rape kits.
    There are numerous types of reports that show the slow encroachment of taking away his grazing lands. When the BLM first took his family's land, the agreement was there would be no grazing fees. I'll bet the grazing rights were continuous until a sale, and the government is trying other BS to let Harry gReid's son put a solar plant there.

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    There are numerous types of reports that show the slow encroachment of taking away his grazing lands. When the BLM first took his family's land, the agreement was there would be no grazing fees. I'll bet the grazing rights were continuous until a sale, and the government is trying other BS to let Harry gReid's son put a solar plant there.
    The BLM never 'took' his lands. It has always been federal land since we forced Mexico to sell it to us for $15m in 1847. Bunker didn't come down from Salt Lake until decades later.

    Let me guess you think 3 federal circuit court judges and an appeals panel are wrong. Bunker actually does have land farther north of the allotment.

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    Why does the pro-Bundy cabal insist on making up?

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    Why does the pro-Bundy cabal insist on making up?
    I'm not "pro-Bundy." I simply see that our government is increasingly getting out of hand. There are reports that may or may not be true.

    Are you suggesting that the government doesn't make up? Or that you know for facts the merits of this case one way or another? I'm not.

    I do find the alleged ties to Reid Jr. and the solar farm for that land alarming. Don't you?

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    Jim Crow was the law gots! Always obey the laws!

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    why doesn't obama bail him out?

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    I'm not "pro-Bundy." I simply see that our government is increasingly getting out of hand. There are reports that may or may not be true.

    Are you suggesting that the government doesn't make up? Or that you know for facts the merits of this case one way or another? I'm not.
    I am flat out saying that people are making up here.

    I do find the alleged ties to Reid Jr. and the solar farm for that land alarming. Don't you?
    No. It's government. How is Rick Perry a multimillionaire after only having government jobs his entire life?

    LBJ?

    Nixon?

    Same .

    Don't feign outrage now just because your political ideology demands it.

    I do find the fact that this dude has been freeloading off the government for 20 years alarming. Don't you?

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    I do find the fact that this dude has been freeloading off the government for 20 years alarming. Don't you?
    He wasn't freeloading, only his cows were. He should have gotten them EBT cards tbh.

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    Jim Crow was the law gots! Always obey the laws!
    You complaining about the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo that gave the US ownership of the land or just property rights in general?

    I am going to go out on a limb that you are so ignorant that you do not know what I am saying.

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