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    BigOil never met a 99%er it wouldn't screw.

    All y'all Kock suckers happy?
    lol goal post move.
    lol lazy conflation.
    lol progressive echo chamber.

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    the 99% are mainly a prop for boutons' outrage and self-importance. to the extent that he views them as powerless, helpless victims, he ignores their lives as actually lived and dehumanizes them in a way that is little distinguishable from the big bad exploiters he secretly envies.
    Boom. Roasted.

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    should have said us and our instead of them and their. I'm in that category.

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    the 99% are mainly a prop for boutons' outrage and self-importance. to the extent that he views them as powerless, helpless victims, he ignores their lives as actually lived and dehumanizes them in a way that is little distinguishable from the big bad exploiters he secretly envies.
    guess whom I KNOW always gets screwed WORST when hits the fan? like when global warming creates water, food, weather disasters arrive?

    The 99%, esp the infamous 47%, will get hit the worst, practically HELPLESS victims to forces NOBODY will be able to control.

    The regressivity of high fed taxes on transport fuel (to siphon profits from BigOil into govt where it can benefit the 99%, and to increase the viability non-BigOil energy) can be fixed.

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    The regressivity of high fed taxes on transport fuel (to siphon profits from BigOil into govt where it can benefit the 99%, and to increase the viability non-BigOil energy) can be fixed.

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    While I'm waiting for my 100 watt equivalent Nanoleaf, here are some specs:






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    Damn, it's a slow process to get my $50 LED light. Tracking finally shows it at customs. maybe I'll just order from Amazon:


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    Home Depot has a 4 pack of Phillips 60 watt equivalent LED bulbs for $38. Less than $10 each now.

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    Home Depot has a 4 pack of Phillips 60 watt equivalent LED bulbs for $38. Less than $10 each now.
    I caught some at best buy for $5 a bulb around September, was only able to order 8 but they are great. Next to no heat from the bulbs

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    government regs in action: strangling innovation, restricting choice and raising the price of everything.

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    Home Depot has a 4 pack of Phillips 60 watt equivalent LED bulbs for $38. Less than $10 each now.
    They also have a 4 pack of 40 watt equivalent for $15. After making that posting, I searched for 100W equivalents. There are 3 Home depot stores listed in the Portland metro area as having them. I drove out to the Clackamas location to find out they just received them and didn't get unpacked yet out of the shipment. I am only interested in the 100 watt equivalents. I should be able to buy the Cree 100W equivalent today.



    These use 18 watts for 1600 lumens. The Nanoleaf I am waiting for only uses 12 watts for 1600 lumens. My tracking finally shows it stateside and I think I'll get it later this week. I will pick up some of these Cree and compare them with the Nanoleaf.

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    Thanks for your support of American Manufacturing, WC

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    Thanks for your support of American Manufacturing, WC
    I would love to buy US made LED 100 watt equivalents.

    Do you know of a manufacturer that survived Clinton's global free trade?

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    Scott, to add. LEDnovations claims to manufacture here in the USA. Their only 100W equivalent uses 19 watts and uses a color temperature of 2700 K. I'm even skeptical about using the 3500 K Nanoleaf, but it only uses 12 watts for the true 100 watt equivalent 1600 lumens output. The Cree I will be picking up in an hour or so has a 1600 lumen output with 18 watts which is similar to the LEDnovations, but is closer to my preferred daylight color output. It has a 5000 K color. I'm currently using lamps that I think are 5700 K everywhere in my place.

    I stopped looking, but I didn't see a retailer for the LEDnovation A21 lamp. Only at their web site.

    http://www.lednovation.com/products/...0-1-27D-IO.pdf

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    Scott.

    I found a retailer for the LEDnovation A21. Their site says they are out of stock, but I left my email for notification when they get some in. I will be calling the manufacturer tomorrow during business hours to see if the have a retailer in the Portland metro area.

    Earth LED's price is $59.99 ea:

    http://earthled.com/products/lednova...d#.U1CikqIVAk4

    I will buy at least one of these. I put my money where my mouth is. Do you?

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    Scott.

    I found a retailer for the LEDnovation A21. Their site says they are out of stock, but I left my email for notification when they get some in. I will be calling the manufacturer tomorrow during business hours to see if the have a retailer in the Portland metro area.

    Earth LED's price is $59.99 ea:

    http://earthled.com/products/lednova...d#.U1CikqIVAk4

    I will buy at least one of these. I put my money where my mouth is. Do you?
    I bought the GE LED lightbulbs. They're like $20 with good white light and low energy consumption.

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    Scott.

    I found a retailer for the LEDnovation A21. Their site says they are out of stock, but I left my email for notification when they get some in. I will be calling the manufacturer tomorrow during business hours to see if the have a retailer in the Portland metro area.

    Earth LED's price is $59.99 ea:

    http://earthled.com/products/lednova...d#.U1CikqIVAk4

    I will buy at least one of these. I put my money where my mouth is. Do you?
    I've bought at least $2,000 worth of LED bulbs in the last 2 years, but most are made in China. But I've spent $1.3 million in the last 5 months on American manufactured goods, with another $1.2 million to go. Am I winning yet?

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    I've bought at least $2,000 worth of LED bulbs in the last 2 years, but most are made in China. But I've spent $1.3 million in the last 5 months on American manufactured goods, with another $1.2 million to go. Am I winning yet?
    Great!

    Glad you choose to do so.

    The only Cree I noticed that is labeled "Made in the USA" are some of their lighting fixtures. The five 100W equivalents I bought last night are great! Love the brightness and color. However, they are "Assembled in the USA." Still better than something "Made in China."

    A friend and I were discussing that, wondering how much is necessary for the "assembled in the USA" label. We figured they probably got the heat sink and electronics in China, then the actual bulb part here, and put it together here. Probably more cost effective for shipping purposes because a rough guesstimate, you can ship 10 or more internal elements and heat sinks in the same volume as the package for one. At least some people are employed here operating and maintaining the assembly equipment.

    It doesn't look like I'll be able to buy the 100W equivalent from LEDnovation. When I called, they said they are going out of business. They simply cannot compete in Clinton's free trade zone.

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    Damn...

    The Cree 100W equivalent is enough larger that it doesn't fit in all light fixtures I need it to.

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    I bought the GE LED lightbulbs. They're like $20 with good white light and low energy consumption.
    How many lumens, and what's the color temperature?

    The Cree 100W equivalents at Home depot were $20.97 each.

    They are true 100W equivalents... 1600 lumens! 18 watts.
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    LOL...

    Just check the Home Depot site again. Yesterday, it was only showing three stores in the Portland Metro area having the Cree 100W equivalents. Now it looks like they all do.

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    like your flat tax and consumption tax?
    Would you support the elimination of income tax for a progressive sales tax? This being a tax that has a higher percentage increase based off of the cost of the ticket item. Seems like it would be something the rich could not avoid, the poor would get some skin in the game (low percentage), and the middle income would not asked to commit economic ruin.

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    Would you support the elimination of income tax for a progressive sales tax? This being a tax that has a higher percentage increase based off of the cost of the ticket item. Seems like it would be something the rich could not avoid, the poor would get some skin in the game (low percentage), and the middle income would not asked to commit economic ruin.
    An income tax results in economic ruin for those earning in the 'middle income' range? Do explain.

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    You know, I was thinking about the thread le, and I contend it still applies to the OP as intended.

    The cheapest true 100 watt equivalent that fits in an A19 size application is now $50 plus shipping.

    The Cree I paid $20.97 each for do not fit in an A19 size. They are A21.

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