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    Oregon car registration renewal is $77 + $21 DEQ fee. Drivers license renewal is $60.
    Here registration depends on the value of your vehicle, IIRC. Driver's license renewal is $24 though, just did mine.

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    Ironically, if his argument prevailed he would be subject to paying the state of Nevada for grazing rights at $15.50 per head of cattle, rather than the federal rate of $1.35.

    After searching for the distinctive cover of the do ent in Bundy's pocket, the publisher turned out to be the innocuously named National Center for Cons utional Studies (NCCS). However, the NCCS is not the commendable educational organization it purports to be.

    It began life as the Freemen Ins ute, a vehicle for the far-right, Mormon, anti-commie, history revisionist, W. Cleon Skousen.

    Skousen taught that the Cons ution was inspired by a God who intended America to be a Christian nation. He also professed the canon of white supremicism that Anglo-Saxons are descended from a lost tribe of Israel. The Southern Poverty Law Centerchronicled the NCCS curriculum based on Skousen's philosophy saying that he...

    "...demonized the federal regulatory agencies, arguing for the abolition of everything from the Occupational Safety and Health Administration to the Environmental Protection Agency. He wanted to repeal the minimum wage, smash unions, nullify anti-discrimination laws, sell off public lands and national parks, end the direct election of senators, kill the income tax and the estate tax, knock down state-level walls separating church and state, and, of course, raze the Federal Reserve System."

    Sound familiar? Skousen's warped ideology was syncs up perfectly with the Tea Party and other purveyors of fringe fear mongering like politi-vangelist Glenn Beck, who literally begged his audience to read Skousen's book,
    "The 5000 Year Leap," which Beck said was "divinely inspired."

    The conspiracy-obsessed NCCS shares with Beck and Bundy an animosity toward government that exceeds the boundaries of common sense.

    Along with Skousen's books, the NCCS website features anti-UN screeds (
    "Confronting Agenda 21"), treatises on wingnut electoral reforms ("Repeal 17 Now!"), harbingers of one-world government ("The Rise of Global Governance"), and appeals for ins utionalized theocracy ("America's God & Country"). No wonder Bundy was sporting a version of the Cons ution that was distributed by the NCCS, an organization that advances ultra-conservative conspiracy theories and promotes anti-government hostility.

    The threatening hysteria and deception emanating from Bundy, and the armed militias that came to his defense, are emblematic of the apocalyptic doctrine of the NCCS. It is no accident that Bundy's Cons ution was provided by a group whose teachings have been denounced by historians and cons utional scholars. But it does explain the extremism and advocacy of violence that Bundy et al have espoused. All of this makes it all the more inappropriate and irresponsible for Bundy to be hailed as hero by conservative media outlets like the National Review and Fox News who, just last week, compared Bundy to Gandhi in a feat of epic cognitive collapse.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/0...m?detail=email



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    Yeah, that damn US cons ution is definitely some radical right wing subversive .

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    Yeah, that damn US cons ution is definitely some radical right wing subversive .
    Yes.

    Considering it was intended for Anglo Saxons descended from a lost tribe of Israel.

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    Yeah, that damn US cons ution is definitely some radical right wing subversive .
    As interpreted as an unchangeable "dead do ent" by the extreme right-wing anti-American Repug SCOTUS and Christian supremacists, yes THEIR Cons ution is "radical right wing subversive "

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    As interpreted as an unchangeable "dead do ent" by the extreme right-wing anti-American Repug SCOTUS and Christian supremacists, yes THEIR Cons ution is "radical right wing subversive "
    I can't even imagine what Boos version of the cons ution would look like.

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    I can't even imagine what Boos version of the cons ution would look like.
    no surprise, your imagination is full of Repug .

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    Yeah, that damn US cons ution is definitely some radical right wing subversive .
    the US Cons ution relates to Bundy/BLM dispute how, please?

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    be specific, if you can. Nevada was a US Territory (and a state) before Bundy settled there. also, the NV State cons ution would appear to put his claims to Federal land to bed even if he had settled there prior to statehood.

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    Burning Man organizer plans anything-goes ‘Bundyfest’ to mock scofflaw rancher





    Some of the organizers of the annual Burning Man festival are planning an event aimed at mocking the claims of a Nevada rancher who refuses to pay government-mandated fees for using federal lands.

    “For years, we paid permitting fees to hold Burning Man on the beautiful Playa in Northern Nevada,” said the event’s organizers on a Facebook page. “But now, Cliven Bundy has shown us a NEW WAY! ABSOLUTE FREEDOM! Bundy has declared the entire area surrounding Bundy Ranch as a TOTALLY RULES-FREE ZONE! ANYTHING GOES! WOO-HOO!!!”

    Progressive activist Sean Shealy said Bundyfest, which will be held across the road from Bundy’s ranch in Bunkerville, Nevada, for one month starting on Sept. 5.

    That’s just after the conclusion of the Burning Man festival, and Shealy hopes attendees will travel south to see 240 bands perform 24 hours a day near the rancher’s home.

    “Some people have asked me, where will we camp, where will we park?” Shealy said. “Anywhere, really. It’s f*cking anarchy.”

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/2...e+Raw+Story%29



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    the US Cons ution relates to Bundy/BLM dispute how, please?
    I didn't bring it up. I was just responding to that stupid article Boo posted.

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    does it misrepresent the NCCS?

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    does it misrepresent the NCCS?
    and, CC, does the Bundy and his NCCS misrepresent, distort, pervert the Cons ution?

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    Jon Stewart on Cliven Bundy: ‘Sean Hannity has now made Glenn Beck the voice of reason’


    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/2...ice-of-reason/


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    does it misrepresent the NCCS?
    A copy of the cons ution is a copy of the cons ution whether it's reprinted by NCCS or Jesus Christ.

    I don't give a one way or the other about the NCCS.

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    https://www.facebook.com/bundyranch/...levant_count=1

    Not sure what part of Bundy not paying grazing fees authorized the feds to do this to his property.

    Looks like their top priority is to get paid back!!!

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    https://www.facebook.com/bundyranch/...levant_count=1

    Not sure what part of Bundy not paying grazing fees authorized the feds to do this to his property.

    Looks like their top priority is to get paid back!!!
    who did what?

    on WHOSE property?

    Bundy's a garden-variety extreme right wing nut case, and a moocher, not a maker.

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    who did what?

    on WHOSE property?

    Bundy's a garden-variety extreme right wing nut case, and a moocher, not a maker.
    So you didn't know they massacred a whole bunch of Bundy's cows? You didn't even recognize that photo that has been anywhere where people talk about this.

    Glad to know you're super informed on things you comment about.

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    boutons, even PETA made a comment about this.

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    So you didn't know they massacred a whole bunch of Bundy's cows? You didn't even recognize that photo that has been anywhere where people talk about this.

    Glad to know you're super informed on things you comment about.
    He knows everything his masters want him to know!

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    ok, govt killed some cows that Bundy was going to kill.

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    gotdam you...I thought this was about the Bunny Ranch

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    https://www.facebook.com/bundyranch/...levant_count=1

    Not sure what part of Bundy not paying grazing fees authorized the feds to do this to his property.

    Looks like their top priority is to get paid back!!!
    facebook is now a credible source and the basis for your outrage? that is sad.

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    facebook is now a credible source and the basis for your outrage? that is sad.
    Um, so you're claiming the pictures are fake? Because that's what you're implying genuis. You're saying the pictures the Bundy's took themselves of their own slaughtered cows and posted to their own social media are fake. The BLM has admitted that they did it. What more of a primary source can you possibly get? Are you serious?

    Well, if this is the level of denial you attribute to facts that go against your preconceived narrative, I know that you're really just disingenuous about having any sort of discussion. This probably extends to your other politics as well. That means I'm calling you a liar.

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