Reply With Quote
lol @Great.
The Great Teyshablue always has something to say.TB
lol @Great.
Bundy's ancestral claims, debunked:
http://www.8newsnow.com/story/253021...family-historyIt has been widely reported that Cliven Bundy’s family claims to have ranched in the Bunkerville area since the 1870s even though a federal judge held a different view of Bundy’s history.
Bundy repeated a similar claim Thursday when he told TheBlaze website: “My family has preemptive, adjudicated livestock water rights filed with the state of Nevada. They were established in 1877 when the first pioneers entered the valley. Among those first pioneers were my grandparents from my mother’s side. My father either bought or inherited his Nevada state livestock water rights and I, in turn, have done the same.”
Contrast that with the 1998 opinion from U.S. District Judge Johnnie Rawlinson in a case where it was determined Bundy wouldn’t be allowed to use federal land for his cattle because of failure to pay grazing fees to the Bureau of Land Management. Rawlinson wrote that it wasn’t until roughly 1954 that “Bundy or his father or both have grazed livestock on public lands owned by the United States and administered by the BLM.”
Clark County Recorder do ents show the 160-acre Bunkerville ranch Bundy calls home was purchased by his parents, David and Bodel Bundy, from Raoul and Ruth Leavitt on Jan. 5, 1948. The purchase included the transfer to the Bundys of certain water rights, including water from the nearby Virgin River. Cliven Bundy was born in 1946.
That changes the color of the light...
An army to slaughter cows that cross a property line?
Would we be better served if they were placed on the US/Mexico border?
Most people/corporations recognize the federal government authority over them. They might disagree as to the amounts owed, etc, but the federal authority over them never enters the picture, and they understand there are courts of law to deal with this, which avoids them visits from federal agents and snipers.
Haven't read anything about BLM pages, but I'm not sure how it applies to the main disconnect here: this is a guy that think federal laws don't apply to him. He's utterly wrong.
This is fine, Teysha. But the tools at our disposal are our votes, and in some cases our money to influence elections.
I can't think of a single case where pretending the rules don't apply to you doesn't end up burning you. And rightly so. If you don't like the new tax rates, you don't pay your taxes? I mean, then we're back in the far west (pun intended)
Where is the employee?how about this guy, widely photographed:
"disposal are our votes"
useless in a gerrymandered district,
non-existant due to REpug voter suppression and voting suppression
"our money to influence elections"
Adelson and ElNono call RickyBobby for an interview
Guess who gets the interview (and the check), and guess for which "cons uent" RB votes.
Not sure what you're arguing, tbh...
I said those are the tools, not that everybody has access to those tools.
Illegal aliens can't vote, so they don't have access to that.
People that don't have enough disposable income to donate to campaigns, don't have access to the other tool.
Access to those tools are a completely different matter.
The point is, pretending the federal government doesn't exist, isn't a tool. Never has been.
I think you mis understood my point. I was addressing the nanny state argument federal government had no right to have a beef (pun intended) with Bundy.
in the paranoid gun fellator's sights
Re-reading, I certainly did... sorry bout that
You could've at least dropped a token pun.
Evidence contradicts Cliven Bundy’s ‘ancestral rights’ claim
MORE (INCLUDING VIDEO) HERE: http://wonkynewsnerd.com/cliven-bundy-ancestral-rights/Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s claim to an “ancestral right” to graze his cattle on federal land is not standing up to scrutiny, according to media reports.
KLAS-TV in Las Vegas took a look at property records and found, among other things, that Bundy’s parents bought the 160 acre ranch in 1948. At that time, water rights were transferredm “but only to the ranch, not the federally managed land surrounding it. Court records show Bundy family cattle didn’t start grazing on that land until 1954.”
<SNIP>
MSNBC’s Chris Hayes talked with Nevada journalist Jon Ralston, host of the TV show “Ralston Reports,” which airs on on all three NBC affiliates in that state. Ralston slammed Bundy and his claims.
“He is not a freedom fighter, he’s not standing up for state sovereignty,” Ralston said. “He is a guy trying to get away without paying fees that many other ranchers … pay here.”
LOL, what a got. BLM should shoot all his cattle
GFY
Conservative hero Cliven Bundy: 'I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro ...'
What a surprise: It turns out that Cliven Bundy, the deadbeat cattle rancher who has become a hero to conservative politicians and pundits, is nothing but—well, besides that whole deadbeat cattle rancher thing—a racist:
“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro ... because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”
Coming up next: Watching conservatives awkwardly distance themselves from the remarks themselves while still embracing their hero's "principles."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/24/1294262/-Conservative-hero-Cliven-Bundy-I-want-to-tell-you-one-more-thing-I-know-about-the-Negro?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_ca mpaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos%29
empty his bank account, bankrupt him, sell of his stuff until the $1M is recovered. That's EXACTLY what banks would do.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 04-24-2014 at 10:27 AM.
Jim Crow
This is an interesting point as it also leads me to ponder the corruption associated with even smaller "government" en ies... Neighborhood association members skimming money, the horrible abuse of taxpayer money by school board members in big districts with a cons uency that does not care. Getting 200 votes and then getting a kickback from your brother-in-law who wins the cafeteria food contract. This happens over and over again in SA districts that are poor. County and small city police forces totally abusing traffic laws... It's fairly easy to get elected in these small time positions yet pad income quite nicely.
in the background: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=36873
Conservative hero Cliven Bundy: 'I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro ...'
What a surprise: It turns out that Cliven Bundy, the deadbeat cattle rancher who has become a hero to conservative politicians and pundits, is nothing but—well, besides that whole deadbeat cattle rancher thing—a racist:
“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro ... because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”
Coming up next: Watching conservatives awkwardly distance themselves from the remarks themselves while still embracing their hero's "principles."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/24/1294262/-Conservative-hero-Cliven-Bundy-I-want-to-tell-you-one-more-thing-I-know-about-the-Negro?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_ca mpaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos%29
empty his bank account, bankrupt him, sell of his stuff until the $1M is recovered. That's EXACTLY what banks would do.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
