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don't get me started scrah... i have a camera planted and i see your "workout" shenanigans
whats arguably worse is that they walk around denying it like nothing happened. could you imagine if the germans today were like "holocaust? the is that? we didn't do that "
don't get me started scrah... i have a camera planted and i see your "workout" shenanigans
yep. may be not 1.5 millions but "ittihat ve terakki" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committ...n_and_Progress were the responsible of this massacre. we r now working againts that nationalist and nation state mentality. our goverment just released a decleration and offered condolence. it's really hard to make that beacuse kemalist regime is still trying to prevent these reforms. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemalism
i hope we will make peace with our armenian brothers.
by the way, americans may think leave the red indians their land and turn back : )
I'm Peruvian and Cracker.
yeah, i read about the condolences offered. 99 years later its about time you ers stepped up to the plate and did something. but thats just a start. the germans owned up do their wrongdoings, and the turks need to do the same. the first step is to stop bull ting. call it was it was. considering it was the Young Turks of the Ottoman Empire, and not the modern Turks, you should have no problem acknowledging THEIR wrongdoings.
they need to step up to the plate and spill everything out tbh. it was an attempted genocide and needs to be referred to as such. there are some re ed armenians that claim we have a right to those lands, and i disagree with that. however, there should be some form of reparations for wiping off 50% of an entire ethnic group.
and lol with the "maybe not 1.5 millions." thats the bull i'm talking about.
Americans harp over 9/11, where 3000 americans died. that would have to happen once a week for 10 years to amount to the 1.5 million deaths. not as big as a holocaust numbers wise, but 50% of an entire populace
Damn...well said
Mustafa Kemal
I mean , great man
yep. i have the same ideas nearly. my english is not so well so i can't tell myself deeply. there is no diffirence leaving 1.5 millions of people or 500000 people or 100000 people to death. it is genecide or not. that was so bad. w have to accept that it was wrong to do that your brothers. we had to choice another solution instead of nation state. it s not suitable for our lands beacause many ethnic groups live here.
by the way you understood me wrong. i do not seperate the last years of ottoman empire and kemalist turkey. i say they r the same. nothing changed in one day. "ok now a new country".
of course that's just a start and it is not easy. erasing kemalist mentality from these lands is not easy. i hope we had moneyand give compensation but this is not the real matter i think. we have to make a bridge between these two nations.
and i am on side to never solve this solution from american perspective. america just give our lands death saying we r bringing democracy. we have to be in knowledge that it was wrong, we have to solve this between us. and also our armenian brothers should accept they were manipulated some european counrties in 1915 war. they were just used.
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CN is a confirmed troll only a shade smarter than Blake and one of Chumps minions, and believe me, that is not a complement.
I have not figured out if spurraider21 is a troll yet.
Is he?
Nope. I'm usually pretty up front and blunt. I'm argumentative/confrontational, sure. But that's not trolling. You on the other hand type up paragraph long posts that don't make a point, and you always engage in arguments without taking a stance one way or another so you can be immune from criticism
Not really, from my point of view.
I take stands often, as I do against those who wrongfully make accusations against others like the pedophile accusations against Avante.
I may be just as up front and blunt as you are in many ways.
And I not only can take criticism, but I also criticize myself quite often. You would have seen this if you have read many of my posts.
Also I am not so prideful that I can't apologize when I am wrong about something or someone.
I actually suspected you were not a troll, that is why I asked.
I do not mind a contentious debate or argument, as long as it doesn't gravitate into name calling, that never gets anywhere and is the immature way to do it, most of us are adults here.
It takes all kinds to make this world go around.
There's no point of arguing if you never claim a side. That means you are just trying to get on others nerves, aka trolling
giving them a nation state won't help. we tried the same with liberia, tbh, and that didn't end so well. i think all they want is a public acknowledgement by the turks that yes the event did occur. the centennial of ww1 is a perfect time to do so. who knows? maybe developing some sort of museum out of it will boost the tourism that turkey is so desperately seeking.
also, turkey wants to be in the EU and the only way to even consider that is to acknowledge its numerous human rights violations.
Last edited by The Reckoning; 04-26-2014 at 02:39 PM.
Yeah. Denying it is just a slap in the tbh
But I do claim a side on certain issues, issues that I know things about.
Those that I don't I learn from others.
I try to keep an open mind about things so as to not become rigid and set in my ways.
I'm sure you can understand that.
You are being intellectually dishonest
Why do you say this?
Because I don't take the bible literally and think it's the epitome of folly to do so?
You always dance around issues without ever fully stating your position
And you do?
Always?
Sorry, I'll believe that when I see the written word.
based on your post history, you seem to believe things without evidence, so this shouldn't be too difficult for you to believe
Not true, but I don't expect you to believe that.
Sorry I can't give this more time but I am busy right now having a little fun and lots of laughs on a couple of other threads troll-bashing.
But if I could give ths more time we could maybe have a decent debate about it.
by troll bashing, you mean trolling other trolls. ok
No, I said it right the way I said it.
Your interpretation is inaccurate by virtue of the fact that it would cons ute claiming a "double negative".
You can't "troll" trolls IMHO, you can only bash them.
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