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    I notice your fence says "Dik" on it... not a surprise.

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    You're right, but regardless how good the system is they still have to be maintained. The better the system the easier they are to service. But that's the problem, everyone wants a cheap price. I won't sell them a piece of . The tier pond kits can still be maintained it's just more of a pain in the ass. Same thing with pools. ty equipment = pain in the ass.
    Good point. Probably why there aren't many good pond builders around here. SA is cheap as .

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    I notice your fence says "Dik" on it... not a surprise.
    I notice your perception is failing you

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    I notice your perception is failing you
    bull ... right there in white... DIK

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    Expert of looking like an ass

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    Rofl yeah I don't what that was all about. It lasted for about a week before it got sandblasted off. Made it long enough to be immortalized on my patio picture though

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    That's my backyard at my old place. I've never charged for money...yet
    Send pics to some professionals and ask them to quote how much they would charge to do that for you..take an average and undercut the compe ion a little price wise as I'm sure they are overcharging people.

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    not bad pego. as 2120 said, of course there is improvement to be made, but that just comes with time and experience. do a couple jobs first for people for real cheap (minimal profit), just to get some testimonials/pictures/practice and develop a portfolio.

    and always remember, the people that are hiring you 95% of the time know infinitely less than you. do your jobs with confidence, focus on getting better and delivering quality, and before you know it this will be your full-time gig if this is really what you want to do.

    best of fortunes

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    And I'm not trying to be a jerk, I honestly want the best for you. So I figured I would give my personal opinion. If you are going to have a broken stone look, then it needs to be everywhere. It seems like some awfully big pieces are across the edges, and it's more heavily broken more in the middle. It looks kinda boxy to me. And as 2120 said, the gaps occasionally are a bit too big, although I think if you used gravel to fill the gaps up, it would look better than straight grout. Big gaps look better with gravel IMO.

    But the fact that you are even doing this stuff for yourself deserves props because most people are too fat and lazy to bother trying. Overall, I think it's pretty solid work. I really liked the Texas thing

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    Send pics to some professionals and ask them to quote how much they would charge to do that for you..take an average and undercut the compe ion a little price wise as I'm sure they are overcharging people.
    Hey... Good idea... I could get like a price breakdown from them too... Good call

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    not bad pego. as 2120 said, of course there is improvement to be made, but that just comes with time and experience. do a couple jobs first for people for real cheap (minimal profit), just to get some testimonials/pictures/practice and develop a portfolio.

    and always remember, the people that are hiring you 95% of the time know infinitely less than you. do your jobs with confidence, focus on getting better and delivering quality, and before you know it this will be your full-time gig if this is really what you want to do.

    best of fortunes
    Good thoughts brotha

    Lol this is not what I want to do full time I already have a really good full time gig that I plan on sticking with til retirement. This is strictly on the side for extra income

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    2.00 to 2.50 per ft depends on who's buying. If you can get more... your prices can go up when you get some on the ground.

    Your using 1" right?

    When you get going and badass you can get more like 4 to 5 bucks a foot.

    Also if you need a 3d design. I can hook it up for you. If/when you get a pretty big job ask your customer for their plot/plat plan. I may ask you to triangulate some trees and other measurements though.
    Thanks man. I'll keep you up on it.

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    And I'm not trying to be a jerk, I honestly want the best for you. So I figured I would give my personal opinion. If you are going to have a broken stone look, then it needs to be everywhere. It seems like some awfully big pieces are across the edges, and it's more heavily broken more in the middle. It looks kinda boxy to me. And as 2120 said, the gaps occasionally are a bit too big, although I think if you used gravel to fill the gaps up, it would look better than straight grout. Big gaps look better with gravel IMO.

    But the fact that you are even doing this stuff for yourself deserves props because most people are too fat and lazy to bother trying. Overall, I think it's pretty solid work. I really liked the Texas thing
    Thanks for tha props and the constructive criticism

    As for the boxy look and inconsistent size, that's just a result of trying to buy the exact poundage of rock that I'll need to finish the job. I actually calculated pretty damn close on that one as I ended up with only 3 rocks left over. If I could buy a pallet at a time I'd have a lot more options and be able to get the sizing and spacing just right.

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    And I'm not trying to be a jerk,
    Then your in the wrong forum.


    on a side note nice pics!

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    I notice your fence says "Dik" on it... not a surprise.
    You defiantly have artistic talent and should patented your Texas patio designs.

    I personally would look into and solid outdoor grout especially for the high traffic areas you wouldn't want one of those high paying customers to have a female guests get her 600 dollar high heel shoe stuck in between those many gaps in the pattern.
    The first words from their mouth would be "Who designed this "

    Not wanting to take the blame for wearing high heel shoes at a neighborhood outdoor party.
    my 2 cents.
    Last edited by mouse; 04-30-2014 at 12:20 PM.

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    rent a professional paint sprayer (not Wagner bull ) for 40 dollars a day and buy a 5 gallon can of exterior stain / paint for 75 and have a new fence.

    Also have the kids stay off the lawn for 30 days as you seed and fertilize the yard and maybe put artificial turf around the patio high traffic areas.

    That's my 2 cents.....keep in mind i'm at home drinking and posting online.

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    It's on his neighbors fence.
    But it's facing his house, so his neighbor is calling him a dik.

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    It looks like random graffiti to me.

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    rent a professional paint sprayer (not Wagner bull ) for 40 dollars a day and buy a 5 gallon can of exterior stain / paint for 75 and have a new fence.

    Also have the kids stay off the lawn for 30 days as you seed and fertilize the yard and maybe put artificial turf around the patio high traffic areas.

    That's my 2 cents.....keep in mind i'm at home drinking and posting online.
    Ah, the grass is beautiful during the summer and fall. It completely dies out in winter and the comes back drug spring. It's got a sort of muddy look because of the dirt that was dug up and stomping around on it while putting the patio in. I have one of the greenest, weed free lawns, front and back in the neighborhood

    Once it all comes back in this summer I'll take an updated picture

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    Well guess what? You learned something on your next bid if you do another job for cash you can try and avoid or cover the customers grass around the area you will be working on.

    The best way to get better is more jobs look at each project as another step in getting better.

    Soon you will have it down packed by avoiding jobs with Big dogs that are free to roam the backyard pissing on your tools. Then you will avoid jobs were the home owners are going through a nasty divorce as each one argue in court on who should pay you. Make sure you take pics or video "before" in case the home owner says you ruined something


    And avoid jobs were the land is on the bottom of a hill so your patio doesn't get flooded each rain it will slow down the deadline date.
    You have any more pics?

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    Nop dets it :/ I'll post more as they come

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    I need a bid on a 10 x 10 area for my back yard but I want it like this.



    or like this...


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    we had a brick patio when i was growing up and i ing hated it as a kid. the bricks get dislodged and you stub your toe, and the weeds get all in that .

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