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It's similar to the Luck/Manning question. Of course Lebron isn't as old, and the injury situation isn't the same, but we are talking about the next decade, not the next 3-4 years
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If you want proof try watching some games. No YouTube video is goin to prove how a player's game has changed
It's similar to the Luck/Manning question. Of course Lebron isn't as old, and the injury situation isn't the same, but we are talking about the next decade, not the next 3-4 years
If you put Lebron on a team and you get to the WCF the same year...you are not "building around". Lebron in Cleveland was a building around moment (didnt work, but thats another story).
I choose Damian, because Im assuming theres no one else and is going to take me 2-3 years to get a compe ive team, but that time, I assume Damian is more important than Lebron, since I have 7 years to get a ring.
At the end...I understand what you are saying, Im not crazy, I know how hard it is to get to the finals and win it. Lebron can do it.
You misunderstand the term "building around". It doesn't mean everyone except Lebron left the team. It means Lebron is your focal point and your add pieces to get where you need to be. It doesn't mean you suck ass in the 1st few years. Building around someone isn't the same as rebuilding a team.
Do you not think they built around Lebron in Miami? How about in Cleveland? Did they build around Tim Duncan in San Antonio? How's that possible since David Robinson was there and so was Avery Johnson, Sean Elliott?
Building around /= rebuilding
lol @ "didn't work". I guess you don't understand what it means to be successful. Did you see their record while he was there? Do you think anything short of a ring is failure, and if so, how come the Spurs are considered successful when they haven't won since 2007?
So did he lead the league in dunks again or not?Thinking that scouting reports from the 2009 draft accurately describe how Blake plays now
He's not just athleticism anymore, tbh.... his midrange game has come a long way, he has an effective but unconventional post game, he has handles that nobody his size has any business having, and he is also a very good passer for his position.... he's a smart guy, he knows he won't always be able to jump out the gym, so he's put a ton of work into his overall offensive game, tbh....
sure, this way when I come back with the same opinion that his game is predicated on him being more athletic than everyone else, you'll have no retort, right?
If you want proof try watching some games.
The didnt work was because he left, not because he didnt ring.
But ok, I get what you are saying, In my mind, building around was rebuilding.
Why does it matter if he did? Dunks are only one part of his game....
Not that it matters, because you're clearly Philo-ing it up and won't change your opinion no matter how much evidence is given to the contrary
I think a lot of people are making the equivocation between rebuilding and building around, or they are seeing the OP as asking "which player will be better in 10 years?". That's obviously going to be Davis just because Lebron will be retired by then. If you were asked "which player has the potential to affect the most championship drives in the next 10 years" though, it might be Lebron.
Agree. Thread solved.
If that is still your opinion after watching him play extensively, id be surprised. More likely is that you won't actually watch, but you will come back and say you did just to make a point
Lebron is undeniably the easiest player to build around, and if this question was referring to the next 4 years id answer differently
well sure, dunks are just part of the total times he jumps at maximum height per game. Was just curious.Why does it matter if he did? Dunks are only one part of his game....
Not that it matters, because you're clearly Philo-ing it up and won't change your opinion no matter how much evidence is given to the contrary
and since you haven't provided any evidence to the contrary, my perception that his game is based on being a super jumper stands.
Just a matter of time before he Derrick Roses his knees, imo.
This take is literally so awful, not even Skip Bayless would come up with it.... you're better than this
Which is why I'd never tell anyone to simply watch a game.
You haven't even told me what to look for. Am I supposed to count how often he doesn't jump?
The "this take is awful because I say it is" line is jeebo weak. You should be ashamed.This take is literally so awful, not even Skip Bayless would come up with it.... you're better than this
If you are uneducated on the topic (by not havin watched griffin extensively this season), then your opinion simply doesn't carry weight. I didn't tell you to simply watch a game. Watch him play over a period of time, several games, to get a better feel for his game. There is no better way to learn about a player than to watch him play, instead of checking box score figures or watching nba.com recaps.
im not a clipper fan or a big griffin fan, but they're local here so I watch most of their games, and I would be re ed if I didn't notice how much his game has changed. His midrange game has gotten better and his turnaround bank shot is something all spurs fans would enjoy seeing. His back to the basket game isn't perfect from a technical standpoint yet, but he's able to score from either side off either foot. His transition game is still remarkable and is what lands on highlight reels, but to say he's effective purely on his ability to jump out of the gym is just wrong
just watch a sunrise to see that God is real
Is this seriously what you are resortin to in a basketball discussion? Grow up.
But if you want to go there, fine. Saying you don't watch griffin play, yet holding such an adamant opinion about what makes him a good player is akin to robdiazz being vehemently opposed to evolution without even understanding the core concepts of natural selection
Meh. I don't have much patience for people pushing opinion as fact.
Coming from a guy who is claiming Griffin will blow out his knee as fact, that's rich. If you don't want to have an adult discussion, go to the club and start one of your arguments with xmas
The next 4 years are part of the next 10 years. No franchise has a 5 year plan.
I sure didn't.
It's not even a matter of watching Blake play. Looking at his stats show that his game is evolving. Griffin actually had a lower percentage of dunks this year than he had in any previous season of his career. He's barely dunked at all in these playoffs so far. He took a lot of outside jump shots and made a decent, but not yet good enough percentage of low twos. The corner three seems to be a legitimate part of his game now. Honestly, Griffin seems set up to age pretty well, since it's clear he's becoming more skilled as time goes on.
Alright you did add the IMO at the end of that post.
But focusing on the actual argument at hand, I don't understand why you are so strongly opinionated on a matter which you admittedly don't know much about (by nature of not actually watching clippers games)
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