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I had to look it up after this talk. Roflmaotbh he shot 12 out of 44 on the season.
You guys can stop with thebut he added the three pointer to his game
hilarious.
Timely post.
I had to look it up after this talk. Roflmaotbh he shot 12 out of 44 on the season.
You guys can stop with the
You're comparing apples to oranges and moving the goal posts. 10 years is 10 years, and doesn't take into account the fact that a player might leave after just a couple years. If you're building around a guy for 10 years, he has to be there.
KD cannot even keep RW from ting on him unless RW is down. It took a season long injury to get KD a MVP.
Let's use Dirk as an example: Dirk was built around for years, and has 1 ring. Whether he got that in the first or last year doesn't matter, it's 1 ring. If Lebron can give you 2 rings in 10 years, that's 2x as good as Dirk. KD has been playing how long? He's got zero rings.
If you're just trying to take a guy who will be the strongest person on the team for 10 years, that's fine... take Durant or Davis, but if you're looking for a ring, better get Lebron.
So a couple years ago you would not have built around Lebron since he had no rings?
I think the point was that LeBron is simply the best candidate to win you the most championships; whether the rings happens all in the first 5 years is still better than a younger player that could give you more years but less of a chance at a ring.
If you could hypothetically get a player who can win 4 rings in the first 5 years and none after (age/retires), or a player than can get you 1-2 over 10 years, who would you pick?
A couple years ago Lebron was still the alpha on the team and still the best player in the league. A couple years ago there wasn't a better alternative.
I would think I'm comparing apples to something besides apples. That's the point of a comparison. You compare two things that are different. LeBron is different from KD. Only a stupid GM doesn't take player loyalty into account when choosing a player to build around. And of course per par, another Spurstalk poster misuses the term "moving the goalposts". You guys never get that right.
As for KD and Westbrook, so soon your forget LeBron let Wade take as many shots as him until HE got hurt halfway through their second year together and couldn't do it all game anymore. Had Wade not gotten hurt and slipped down a bit and instead could still play like peak Wade, I doubt it'd be any different now. LeBron used to be called LeBeta too until he was 2-3 years older than Durant. So the only person moving the goalposts here is you. You're penalizing Durant for something it took LeBron more time to do, and literally had done for him.
You're claiming time doesn't matter yet we're comparing the accolades of an 11 year player to a 7 year player, a 3 year player, and a 2 year player. The 11 year player getting zero rings in his first 8 seasons and leaving his orginal team after 7 full seasons. -_- That almost seems like a joke argument tbh. LeBron didn't do any more than Durant in the same time period.
So you're cherry picking LeBron's 9th and 10th year accolades (after he fled his home state team to greener pastures) and comparing that to the other 3 players who haven't played as long OR switched teams, then you're throwing out loyalty which should be a HUGE factor, and then finally throwing out the futures (and essentially ages) of all the players involved which is literally the whole point of this discussion in the first place I would think. You literally threw out almost every factor except career accolades, aka the past.
Your answer is correct if we were posting in a "who's had the best career so far" thread, but we aren't. LeBron is the worst choice because he will be aging out the fastest, has me-first mentality for loyalty, and will more than likely be retired before the 10 years are up. Three or four years ago LeBron would have easily been the best choice. Now he isn't, and all those factors matter.
Where does this idea of Lebron not being loyal come from, tbh?..
He played 7 seasons in Cleveland, including signing an extension, and didn't depart until his contract was officially over, never once asking for a trade(unlike a large portion of stars in NBA history, tbh)..
I would also go with Durant, tbh, but I don't know how loyalty is an argument, at the moment(especially considering we haven't seen what Durant is going to do when his time comes, and his supporting cast in OKC has been levels better than Lebron's in Cleveland)..
Last edited by Malik Hairston; 05-08-2014 at 05:52 PM.
your hypotheticals are all made up. you don't know how many each could get. btw this team wouldn't be the same as the team they are currently on; you have to build around that player. so Lebron woouldn't be on the current heat team.
Yes...my hypothetical is made up....like what a hypothetical is supposed to be...and like the question presented in the OP.
This has nothing to do with what I said. I simply said if one believes a player like LeBron gives you the best chance at the most championships, then choose him. If not, then don't. Doesn't matter if the success would come in bulk @ the beginning and not @ the end.
lol
In 10 years you'd have your "would have" excuses for not having a ring.As for KD and Westbrook, so soon your forget LeBron let Wade take as many shots as him until HE got hurt halfway through their second year together and couldn't do it all game anymore. Had Wade not gotten hurt and slipped down a bit and instead could still play like peak Wade, I doubt it'd be any different now. LeBron used to be called LeBeta too until he was 2-3 years older than Durant. So the only person moving the goalposts here is you. You're penalizing Durant for something it took LeBron more time to do, and literally had done for him.
From what we currently know, Lebron is the best player in the league. He's not a "used to be the best" player.You're claiming time doesn't matter yet we're comparing the accolades of an 11 year player to a 7 year player, a 3 year player, and a 2 year player. The 11 year player getting zero rings in his first 8 seasons and leaving his orginal team after 7 full seasons. -_- That almost seems like a joke argument tbh. LeBron didn't do any more than Durant in the same time period.
Lebron has b2b rings, 4 MVPs and been to the show 4 times. He's beaten KD in one of those.So you're cherry picking LeBron's 9th and 10th year accolades (after he fled his home state team to greener pastures) and comparing that to the other 3 players who haven't played as long OR switched teams, then you're throwing out loyalty which should be a HUGE factor, and then finally throwing out the futures (and essentially ages) of all the players involved which is literally the whole point of this discussion in the first place I would think. You literally threw out almost every factor except career accolades, aka the past.
How many rings has KD had in his first 7 years? None. The question wasn't asked a few years ago, but right now. Right now is what matters and right now Lebron is a few more rings. KD is not.Your answer is correct if we were posting in a "who's had the best career so far" thread, but we aren't. LeBron is the worst choice because he will be aging out the fastest, has me-first mentality for loyalty, and will more than likely be retired before the 10 years are up. Three or four years ago LeBron would have easily been the best choice. Now he isn't, and all those factors matter.
LeBron is the best of the group now. He's also the oldest. Age matters.
LeBron did not win a ring in his first 7 seasons and had not done so until he left the team that tried to build around him. It's a joke to penalize Durant or anyone else for not doing better than LeBron did in comparison. That is a perfect example of moving the goalposts.
How many rings he won in the past in seasons 9 and 10 with superstars around him doesn't matter. We're choosing a guy for the NEXT 10 years to build around. You don't get to bring Bosh and Wade too, and you're gonna have old man LeBron for 4-5 years.
Durant will be at his peak and in his prime for nearly the entirety of the next 10 years. So yeah, I would rather build around the guy who's loyal and nearly as good now and won't begin his decline in a few years just because he won a couple rings with a manufactured super team while cakewalking through a weak conference and practically defaulting into the finals every year.
- Again, how is Durant more loyal than Lebron?..
- What super team? A 2nd option averaging 16 PPG and a 3rd option averaging 13 is a super team?..
exactly. but i still don't know if I'd want Durant.
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Bosh averaged 24/11 before going to Miami and 18/8 there (points down solely because he gets less touches)
Wade averaged 30/4/7.5 two years before LeBron went there, and 23/5/5 Bron's first 3 years in Miami and still more than any Spur this year.
Both are capable of taking over a given game and playing good D'.
Multiple great role players signed there peanuts: Battier, Anderson, Allen, Miller.
As for Durant, he is signed for and will be with OKC for a minimum of two years longer than LeBron stayed with Cleveland (at least 9 total for Durant vs the minimum of 7 for LeBron)
You're looking at names and ignoring how poorly Wade and Bosh played in last year's playoffs, though
Lebron is one of only 3 players in the modern era to lead a team to a le while leading his team in points, assists, rebounds and stls or blocks..he's also one of the only players in league history to win a le with his 2nd option averaging a total lower than Wade's point output last year..
The Heat were projected to be a Super Team, but Wade has declined significantly and Bosh is a role player in Spoelstra's system when Wade is playing..outside of the 2003 Spurs and 1994 Rockets, no le team was as much of a 1-man team as last year's Heat..
Lebron signed an extension with Cleveland and never demanded a trade or made any noise about the failures of the front office..there's no argument that he isn't loyal
LeBron signed a restricted free agent extension. You do realize teams could basically force drafted players to play for them for their first seven seasons, don't you?You're looking at names and ignoring how poorly Wade and Bosh played in last year's playoffs, though
The Heat were projected to be a Super Team, but Wade has declined significantly and Bosh is a role player in Spoelstra's system when Wade is playing..
Lebron signed an extension with Cleveland and never demanded a trade or made any noise about the failures of the front office..there's no argument that he isn't loyal
Cleveland's front office failures were the fact that they played in Cleveland and nobody went there. Gilbert spent money.
As for Wade and Bosh, they don't need to get much stats in these worthless first rounds. These are basically byes for Miami, Look at ECF and Finals stats instead. Wade was hurt and still killing it last year when it mattered most.
And you still haven't demonstrated how Lebron isn't loyal
longetivity is overrated if you have nothing to show for it, just ask the mailman and stockton
1 ring in a decade is better then someone who has 10 great years with no rings...
Lol anyone picking Lebron. would bolt to a superfriends team halfway through that decade
Id pick Lillard or Wall tbh.
Davis is unproven... the playoffs are very different then the reg season ....
i would pick lebron
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