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It's so sad to see Killakobe81 A.K.A "the Lakerfan not Kobefan" trying so desperately to do such a vicious damage control on Kobe. If you are such a Lakerfan like you say you are you should know Shaq >> Kobe and be cool with it.
I went through every single shot by Kobe in the fist video, and went to the point where Kobe scored 31 of his 38 points, and the game was over in the 2nd video. How was that cherry picking?I see plenty of one on one shots in your cherry picking.
Nobody is denying that Shaq was the MVP of that team but to say Kobe was "just along for the ride" is ridiculous
Shaq carried those Laker teams. Did Kobe put in work? Sure, but he was along for the ride, just as if you replaced him with Vince, T-Mac or AI, they would have been along for the ride. The entire Laker offense was built around Shaq.
It's so sad to see Killakobe81 A.K.A "the Lakerfan not Kobefan" trying so desperately to do such a vicious damage control on Kobe. If you are such a Lakerfan like you say you are you should know Shaq >> Kobe and be cool with it.
Oh no, Kobe's not along for the ride, but then Richmond said":
So the entire Laker team was along for the ride, but Kobe wasn't, according to a Laker. Great fantastic logic.
You think Webber is overrated? I don't recall him ever being favorably compared to Duncan and Garnett even from 00-02 in his short prime, and everyone knew Bibby was their big game player once they traded for him. I think Rasheed was the most overrated big of that era. I can't count how many times I have heard people say Rasheed was the most skilled big in the game because he could hit threes.I'll never forget that game 7, one of the most pathetic displays of basketball I've ever seen, tbh..
Even with the blatant rigging in game 6, it's tough to feel bad for Sacramento when they pulled a 6 for an entire game 7, tbh..
It was clear that they were easily superior to the Lakers that year, but one team had a team full of alphas(Phil, Shaq, Kobe, Fisher, Horry), while the other team was led by moist pussies(Webber, Peja, Adelman)..
One of the best examples of Chris Webber being one of the most overrated players of my lifetime..
That's a silly subjective argument, no way to tell if Vince, T-Mac, or AI would or would not have won a ring (AI probably does). Either way those were the top wing players of that era so you can't just replace Kobe with anybody which is what "along for the ride" generally implies.
Kobe was obviously the better player than all three of those guys as evidenced by his extended prime playing at a high level and winning two more les as the lead dog.
What are we even arguing about anyway?
tbh right now I have tons of free time on my hands so I just figured I'd go around in circles with you for s and giggles but I've lost track of what we're even debating.
sup good doctor. How's the panamanian wife?
good to see Mike Bibby getting recognition for his big ballsack
you're stealing my Philo shtick
You are confusing longevity with wing better at a specific point in time. Duncan had the longer prime, but 2001 shaq no doubt better than Duncan at any point in his career.That's a silly subjective argument, no way to tell if Vince, T-Mac, or AI would or would not have won a ring (AI probably does). Either way those were the top wing players of that era so you can't just replace Kobe with anybody which is what "along for the ride" generally implies.
Kobe was obviously the better player than all three of those guys as evidenced by his extended prime playing at a high level and winning two more les as the lead dog.
Tmac, AI and carter all had similar individual accomplishments as Kobe did during those three years, so my assumption holds quite a bit of water.
As for tmac not getting out the first round, Kobe didn't get out the first round in his absolute prime because e didn't have the most dominant front court in the league. In fact 2005 to 2007 Kobe was better than 2009 10 Kobe but one won championships and the other didn't.
Come to think of it, lakers without shaq would have trouble making the playoffs, 1st fodder at best. Lakers without Kobe would have made the 2nd or 3rd round, maybe even won it all in2001.
Fisher and Dirk's heroics prevented a 5-peat semen cloud. Could you imagine how insufferable Spurs fans would be if they Spurs pulled it off
With such short memory, no wonder you couldn't recall what happened 12 years ago.
Nah. Spurs wouldn't have gotten past the pistons. They were too good
I'm glad Kobe was there because the Lakers went 15-1 and he destroyed the Spurs in the WCF. He dropped 48 and 16 to sweep the Kings in Cowtown while Shaq just dominated the opposition.
if only T-Mac, Vince or AI was there
I love how salty Kings fans forget the "poisoned burger" that nearly did the Lakers in. Yet, everyone cries because game 6 was fixed. Of course it was fixed, the NBA is a fixed ing league. Its like watching a compe ive version of WWE tbh
Of course, this re ed count chacula mother er has his two cents to addGary Vitti (athletic trainer, Lakers): Kobe told me he started feeling sick around one a.m. He didn’t call me until around three. By that time his abdominal cramping, vomiting, and diarrhea was out of control. The cramping was so bad, he was curled up like a shrimp. If I could have gotten to him earlier, we might have been able to medicate him so things didn’t progress so badly, but he tried to tough it out.Phil Jackson: We didn’t think it was the flu. We thought it was just a food issue. We weren’t that concerned. He was never confident again about eating room service from that hotel.Adande: Lakers fans were convinced that it was intentional. People refused to believe it was a simple case of food poisoning. It had to be nefarious intent. Who knows?
Christie: He seemed like himself. I never fell for any of that stuff. If you’re really, really sick, you just don’t go out there. Otherwise, you can’t use that as an excuse. He was one of the players I respected most. It didn’t matter what you did, he would shoot the ball great. He would go both ways, midrange game, everything. They were like, “Oh, Kobe’s sick.” I didn’t even hear that. I was more like, “Awww. I’m not listening.”
Never said Shaq was not the more dominant player I argued some import, but as some Saud it's a waste of time here. I am a Lakers fan and trust my thoughts on the subject more than Amb because I watched ever y game that year he did not. I just thought his conclusions based on this article was flimsy and called him on it. But I made my point and am done.
You won the championship, doesn't matter if you go 15-1 or 15-11. You won.I'm glad Kobe was there because the Lakers went 15-1 and he destroyed the Spurs in the WCF. He dropped 48 and 16 to sweep the Kings in Cowtown while Shaq just dominated the opposition.
With Vince tmac or AI there, could've gone 15-0
You watched every game, those players PLAYED every game, not to mention practiced them as well
The Lakers lost Game 1 of the 2001 Finals because they got too bored from the compe ion, and a long lay-off because they absolutely wrecked the Spurs while Philly went through a needle to beat Milwaukee. Once they got the necessary wake-up call (
They lost game one because AI went nuclear on them. With AI on the lakers, anyone from the east would've been swept.
The Lakers lost Game 1 of the 2001 Finals because they got too bored from the compe ion, and a long lay-off because they absolutely wrecked the Spurs while Philly went through a needle to beat Milwaukee. Once they got the necessary wake-up call (
The Lakers lost Game 1 because of their long lay-off... and because AI dropped 48.
They fell victims to their overwhelming success, but quickly recovered to restore order.
This my point. With AI in place of Kobe. Lakers go 15-0
The Lakers lost Game 1 because of their long lay-off... and because AI dropped 48.
They fell victims to their overwhelming success, but quickly recovered to restore order.
That is a big fallacy.
So without AI scoring48, you think another eastern conference team would've beaten the lakers once? The raptors maybe?
Ambgchang has not just beaten a dead horse on this topic, he's chopped it up into pieces, ground the pieces into mulch, spread the mulch out over a football field, and then carpet bombed the field with about 500 nukes
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