If the blacks had stayed in Africa?

[Avante]

How is this different than Black Quarterbacks 10 years ago? They didn't get better, racial walls were forced down.

Are there racial walls in China, how about Russia or Germany or Poland, Italy, Holland etc? So tell me how come none of those places can run with the Jamaicans and Afro Americans?

In case you don't know this, blacks possess a different physique and that has been proven by studies. A physique more suited for explosive type athletic events.

Dude, I;m a track historian, I can take you back to the very beginnings, trust me on this one.....whites simply can't run fast. They also lack agilty and quickness....honest! While blacks are blessed with all that. I know...."oh yeah well what about Danny Woodhead, ie Post( and a few others):" Ok what about them, compare them to the thousands of black speedy quick backs.

This has nothing at all to do with racial barriers, it's all about differences in physique.

And 1O years ago and before we did have black QB;s...

Randall Cunningham
Warren Moon
Vince Evans
Willie Thrower
James Harris
Doug Williams
Marlon Briscoe
Dante Culpepper
Freddie Solomon
Andre Ware
Elrigde ey

[Infinite_limit]

What you don't seem to understand is this....

We only find the big 220 type running back with speed in the black athlete. There ae no big fast white guys, they don't make them. Herschel Walker was a National caliber sprinter at over 220 pounds, we don;t see those types of white athletes. Then there;s that agility and elusiveness, go ahead give me the name of a white back similar yo Sanders, Faulk, McCoy, Dorsett, Sayers and on and on, go ahead.

How about the tall fast recxeiver like a Calvin Johnson, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, give me a white receiver like them, good luck.

There simply aren't any fast white guys, trust me I;m a track freak.

So how many white players were on the last NCAA championshio team?

You really don't seem to get what's really going on here.

Dwight Clark 6 foot 4. 4.6 forty time. Taller and faster than Jerry Rice.

Ed McCaffrey 6 foot 5. 4.47 forty time.


As the NFL became Combine s, certain positions became racially bias. Tall, fast, White WRs still exist, but they've been forced to move to different positions. For every Moss and Calvin there are Fitzgerald and Boldins.

CB/WR 40 times would decrease on league average by 0.2-0.4 seconds. Big deal. If you are concerned bout less locker room cancers and showboating on the field, then I agree.

[Infinite_limit]

Are there racial walls in China, how about Russia or Germany or Poland, Italy, Holland etc? So tell me how come none of those places can run with the Jamaicans and Afro Americans?

In case you don't know this, blacks possess a different physique and that has been proven by studies. A physique more suited for explosive type athletic events.

Dude, I;m a track historian, I can take you back to the very beginnings, trust me on this one.....whites simply can't run fast. They also lack agilty and quickness....honest! While blacks are blessed with all that. I know...."oh yeah well what about Danny Woodhead, ie Post( and a few others):" Ok what about them, compare them to the thousands of black speedy quick backs.

This as nothing at all to do with racial barriers, it's all about differences in physique.

We are discussing the NFL being un-watchable because CB/WR 40 times decrease league wise by an average of 0.2-0.4 seconds. I don't believe this would be the case.

[Huey Freeman]

Dwight Clark 6 foot 4. 4.6 forty time. Taller and faster than Jerry Rice.

Ed McCaffrey 6 foot 5. 4.47 forty time.


As the NFL became Combine s, certain positions became racially bias. Tall, fast, White WRs still exist, but they've been forced to move to different positions. For every Moss and Calvin there are Fitzgerald and Boldins.

CB/WR 40 times would decrease on league average by 0.2-0.4 seconds. Big deal. If you are corned bout less locker room cancers and showboating on the field, then I agree.

I don't really care to get into this stupid ass debate, but this post got me curious. What positions are these tall fast white guys being moved to tbh?

[Infinite_limit]

I don't really care to get into this stupid ass debate, but this post got me curious. What positions are these tall fast white guys being moved to tbh?

Outfield in Baseball. If it were a White only league, guys like Mike Trout would be more willing to play Football. He ran the equivalent of 4.35 forty time.

[Avante]

Dwight Clark 6 foot 4. 4.6 forty time. Taller and faster than Jerry Rice.

Ed McCaffrey 6 foot 5. 4.47 forty time.


As the NFL became Combine s, certain positions became racially bias. Tall, fast, White WRs still exist, but they've been forced to move to different positions. For every Moss and Calvin there are Fitzgerald and Boldins.

CB/WR 40 times would decrease on league average by 0.2-0.4 seconds. Big deal. If you are corned bout less locker room cancers and showboating on the field, then I agree.

What do these black NFLers all have in common?

James Jett
Bob Hayes
Sam Graddy
Larry Burton
Gerald Tinker
Henry Carr
Ron Brown
Michael Bates
Johnny Jones
Ollie Matson

.....there were all Olympic sprinters far far far faster than any white athlete to ever play in the NFL. That guy being John Roderick a 9.3 guy out of SMU/Doplhins.

So what white receiver compares to Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson, Terrell Owens when it comes to size and speed?

What white back compares to Curtis ey who was a 220 pound Texas A&M/Colts running back who was also world ranked in the 100m?

How about Bo Jackson who ran a 4.19 40, ever heard of a white back breaking a 4.40?

I could give you 100 names of black college sprinters who played in the NFL. A ton of sub 4.40 guys.

So you really have never noticed the agility and elusiveness we only see coming from Afro Americasn footballers, you gotta be kidding me.

There has never been a white kick returner on a par with...

Deviin Hester
Brian Mitc
Mel Gray
Deion Sanders
Dante Hall
Ollie Matson
Travis Williams

[Huey Freeman]

Outfield in Baseball. If it were a White only league, guys like Mike Trout would be more willing to play Football. He ran the equivalent of 4.35 forty time.

Ok, I gotcha. Next question for you then, beside Trout, Byrce Harper, a Craig Gentry, Jacob Ellisbery (though he identifies himself as Native American) probably missing some. Who else in baseball fits? I understand your logic (I do), but the athletic white guy is dwindling in baseball to. No?

[Avante]

In 2014 we will see these Afro American speedsters in the NFL

Jeff Demps
Jacoby Ford
Trindon Holliday
Percy Harvin
C.J.Spiller
Marquise Goodwin
Robert Woods
DeAnthony Thomas
LaMichael James
Jamaal Charles
Desean Jackson

where's that white speed?

[Infinite_limit]

What do these black NFLers all have in common?

James Jett
Bob Hayes
Sam Graddy
Larry Burton
Gerald Tinker
Henry Carr
Ron Brown
Michael Bates
Johnny Jones

.....there were all Olympic sprinters far far far faster than any white athlete to evr play in the NFL. That guy being John Roderick a 9.3 guy out of SMU.

So what white receiver compares to Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson, Terrell Owens when it comes to size and speed?

What white back compares to Curtis ey who was a 220 pound Texas A&M/Colts running back who was also world ranked in the 100m?

How about Bo Jackson who ran a 4.19 40, ever heard of a white back breaking a 4.40?

I could give you 100 names of black college sprinters who played in the NFL. A ton of sub 4.40 guys.

So you really have never noticed the agility and elusiveness we only see coming from Afro Americasn footballers, you gotta be kidding me.

Blacks are 0.2 seconds faster over 40 yards. Woopity do. Replace the blacks, put long sleeves on ever player and no one would notice.

Bo who? Guy who never broke 1K rushing yards in a season?

Curtis ey, one single thousand year season in his career.


"It's also surprising seeing that, with the exception of speed, the skills (agility and hand-eye co-ordination) that cons ute a good receiver are more prevalent in the White population. That Whites are more agile is well-known among football coaches and player personnel -- because it is tested for in the scouting combines. There are three tests: 20 yard shuttle, 60 yard shuttle, and the 3 cone drill that directly measure agility. The mean scores for Whites are significanly higher than for blacks, for all three tests. While there is no test for hand-eye co-ordination, that White receivers are superior in this category is borne-out week after week, when they consistently catch the ball at a much higher rate than their black counterparts. (White starting receivers catch 63.4% of the passes thrown their way, black starters catch only 57.1% of the passes targeted at them.) "

Wes Welker doesn't have strong agility and elusiveness?

[Huey Freeman]

Stop making dump ass threads Avante

[Avante]

Blacks are 0.2 seconds faster over 40 yards. Woopity do. Replace the blacks, put long sleeves on ever player and no one would notice.

Bo who? Guy who never broke 1K rushing yards in a season?

Curtis ey, one single thousand year season in his career.


"It's also surprising seeing that, with the exception of speed, the skills (agility and hand-eye co-ordination) that cons ute a good receiver are more prevalent in the White population. That Whites are more agile is well-known among football coaches and player personnel -- because it is tested for in the scouting combines. There are three tests: 20 yard shuttle, 60 yard shuttle, and the 3 cone drill that directly measure agility. The mean scores for Whites are significanly higher than for blacks, for all three tests. While there is no test for hand-eye co-ordination, that White receivers are superior in this category is borne-out week after week, when they consistently catch the ball at a much higher rate than their black counterparts. (White starting receivers catch 63.4% of the passes thrown their way, black starters catch only 57.1% of the passes targeted at them.) "

Wes Welker doesn't have strong agility and elusiveness?

Yep, Wes Welker has agilty and elusiveness. Now name another white guy similiar to him. You have any idea how many blacks I can name with agilty and elusiveness? Want to start with Barry Sanders?

Dude, I;m talking about footbal not drills, ok?

Ever seen a white guy on par with.....Jerry Rice, Deion Sanders, Barry Sanders, Calvin Johnson, Jim Brown, Gale Sayers.....well?

Bo Jackson had to share carries with Marcus Allen, why not talk about his average per carry?

What white back compares to Adrian Peterson? Dude, do you even watch football?

So who were those white backs and receivers that just got drafted?

[Infinite_limit]

Ok, I gotcha. Next question for you then, beside Trout, Byrce Harper, a Craig Gentry, Jacob Ellisbery (though he identifies himself as Native American) probably missing some. Who else in baseball fits? I understand your logic (I do), but the athletic white guy is dwindling in baseball to. No?

I think you will be seeing increasingly more speed incorporated in baseball with the elimination of HGH (power). Granted i'm a National League guy but dumping the DH would further this trend. (Not likely to happen)

My point wasn't to argue Whites are identical to Blacks in straight line speed, they aren't. But there are plenty of guys each year (Ryan Swope 6 foot 4.34 forty) that could step in and replace Black WRs. Especially since in this scenario CBs would also take a slight speed hit. The sport would be by no means unwatchable, which was Avante's OP.

[Avante]

Stop making dump ass threads Avante

Huey, go read threads you find interesting, ok? , start your very own, ok?

[Huey Freeman]

Yep, Wes Welker has agilty and elusiveness. Now name another white guy similiar to him. You have any ide how many blacks I can name with agilty and elusiveness? Want to start with Barry Sanders?

Ever seen a white guy on par with.....Jerry Rice, Deion Sanders, Barry Sanders, Calvin Johnson, Jim Brown, Gale Sayers.....well?

Bo Jackson had to share carries with Marcus Allen, why not talk about is average per carry?

What white back compares to Adrian Peterson? Dude, do you even watch football?

There's Cole Beasley in Dallas, Danny Armendolia (or however you spell his name), Erik Decker (maybe?). You're horrible at debating Avante. The guys point is white guys are being "discouraged" in playing the positions of the players you named. So of course there would be no white Calvin Johnson to compare. I don't necessarily agree with infinite's argument, but I get it. You don't seem to Avante. Stop making dump ass threads.

[Avante]

There's Cole Beasley in Dallas, Danny Armendolia (or however you spell his name), Erik Decker (maybe?). You're horrible at debating Avante. The guys point is white guys are being "discouraged" in playing the positions of the players you named. So course there would be no white Calvin Johnson to compare. I don't necessarily agree with infinite's argument, but I get it. You don't seem to Avante. Stop making dump ass threads.

The thing is that simply isn't true at all if it were there would be no Eric Decker, Wes Welker, Danny Armemwhatever, right? How come they weren't discouraged? Boise State has a speedy white cat named Dallas Burroughs, how come he wasn't discouraged? Dude, if a white cat has real talent nobody is trying to do anything but put him in the best position to succeed. Now think Huey, if they don't want whites playing DB, WR or running back where do they play?

Nobody is being discouraged, what it is is there just aren't many white guys with that agility, speed and quickness. While we see tons and tons of black athletes just like that.

Like I mentioned no white cat in Russia, Poland, Germany, France, Great Britian, Italy, Hungary etc is being discouraged from sprinting, so how come they can;t run with the black sprinters?

Dude, don't ignore......no white American has ever ran faster than 10.13, ok? right now the NFL has three black cats who ran faster than that.

[Huey Freeman]

The thing is that simply isn't true at all if it were there would be no Eric Decker, Wes Welker, Danny Armemwhtver, right? How come they weren't discouraged? Boise State has a speedy white cat named Dallas Burroughs, how come he wasn't discouraged? Dude, if a white cat has real talernt nobody is trying to do nything but put him in the best position to succeed. Now think Huey, if they don't want whites playing DB, WR or running back where do they play?

Nobody is being discouraged, what it is is there just aren't many white guys with that agility, speed and quickness. While we see tons and tons of black athletes just like that.

As I stated in the thread you quoted, I don't necessarily agree with infinite's argument. Saying that, i understand it. You're not debating Avante. What you are doing is naming a bunch of black players. Your not proving your point. In essence you are accidentally trolling. Your annoying

[Avante]

The ignorance here is amazing.

All anyone has to do is watch grade school sports, it's right there. Little black kids running all over little white ones. This ain't got to do with culture, social anything, escape the ghetto, whatever. This is about a race of people built to run not unlike the Kenyans and long distance running.

Whites being discouraged, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! Tell that to white Hall of Fame receivers/backs....

Jim Taylor
Larry Csonka
Ray Berry
Lance Alworth
John Riggins
Steve Largent
Fred Biletnikoff
Hugh McElhenny
Frank Gifford
Paul Hornung
Tommy McDonald

.....won;t go back to before the black players were in the NFL.

[Huey Freeman]

The ignorance here is amazing.

All anyone has to do is watch grade school sports, it's right there. Little black kids running all over little white ones. This ain't got to do with culture, social anything, escape the ghetto, whatever. This is about a race of people built to run not unlike the Kenyans and long distance running.

Whites being discouraged, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! Tell that to white Hall of Fame receivers/backs....

Jim Taylor
Larry Csonka
Ray Berry
Lance Alworth
John Riggins
Steve Largent
Fred Biletnikoff
Hugh McElhenny
Frank Gifford
Paul Hornung
Tommy McDonald

.....won;t go back to before the black players were in the NFL.

John Riggins and Steve Largent are the only 2 modern players in your list. I see words, but you're not saying anything.

[Avante]

As I stated in the thread you quoted, I don't necessarily agree with infinite's argument. Saying that, i understand it. You're not debating Avante. What you are doing is naming a bunch of black players. Your not proving your point. In essence you are accidentally trolling. Your annoying

Why not actually pay attention to why I can name those players? What I'm doing is showing the OVERWELMING difference between white and black athletes. Are you saying you can't understand that?

Dude, the NFL is choked full of former NCAA black track athletes, ok? What's that tell you, now think!

Wes Welker would get smoked by a few 100 black NFLers, ok? There are no fast white NFLers, ok? Not one who ever did on a track in the league right now, none!

[Avante]

John Riggins and Steve Largent are the only 2 modern players in your list. I see words, but you're not saying anything.

Wow! Like talking to a little kid.

All those guys I listed played with black players, ok? And nobody was trying to discourage them, got it?

Why not just admit you havern't a clue, ok?

[Huey Freeman]

Why not actually pay attention to why I can name those players? What I'm doing is showing the OVERWELMING difference between white and black athletes. Are you saying you can't understand that?

Dude, the NFL is choked full of former NCAA black track athletes, ok? What's that tell you, now think!

Wes Welker would get smoked by a few 100 black NFLers, ok? There are no fast white NFLers, ok? Not one who ever did on a track in the league right now, none!

Ok...fine, whatever.

I'm sort or mad at myself in getting pulled into this dump ass troll discussion of yours. I'm bowing out. I don't really care tbh. Stop making dump ass threads Avante, and tell me how your damn wife is doing.

[Avante]

Ok...fine, whatever.

I'm sort or mad at myself in getting pulled into this dump ass troll discussion of yours. I'm bowing out. I don't really care tbh. Stop making dump ass threads Avante, and tell me how your damn wife is doing.

Dude, you made it very obvious you had no clue what was going on. And I wish you'd stay out of my threads, you are too dumb to bother with.

[Huey Freeman]

Dude, you made it very obvious you had no clue what was going on. And I wish you'd stay out of my threaDs, you are too dumb to bother with.

Whatever

You going peepin and tomin tonight? What time is it out there 3?

[Infinite_limit]

Why not actually pay attention to why I can name those players? What I'm doing is showing the OVERWELMING difference between white and black athletes. Are you saying you can't understand that?

Dude, the NFL is choked full of former NCAA black track athletes, ok? What's that tell you, now think!

Wes Welker would get smoked by a few 100 black NFLers, ok? There are no fast white NFLers, ok? Not one who ever did on a track in the league right now, none!

You are making 2 mistakes

- Equating world class sprinting to NFL WRs
- Vertical line speed results in WR success

Yes there is a correlation but it's not as straight forward as you are trying to argue. Ultimately how much would the product on the field decline if Whites, Asians & Hispanics replaced Blacks in the NFL?

Fact is the NFL is an extremely small domestic sport heavily based on Draft combine numbers. What NFL WR coach is going to stick his neck out for a Non-Black WR?

[Avante]

Little people....

There has never been an Asian athlete run a sub10.00 100m, we've seen only one caucasian do it, that was Frenchman Christophe LeMaitre.

That should send a message.

Tiny Jamaica (born there) alone has had...

Linford Christie
Donovan Bailey
Asafa Powell
Ray Stewart
Nesta Carter
Michael Frater
Usian Bolt
Steve Mullings
Ben Johnson
Yohan Blake

You know how many Jamaicas can fit inside China?

So how come there have been over 100 blacks run sub10.00 and only.....one...non black do it. Well?

Now add...

The Raiders have had former NCAA sprinters...

Cliff Branch
Alvis Whitted
James Jett Olympian
Jacoby Ford
James Trapp
Ron Brown Olympian
Willie Gault Olympian
Sam Graddy Olympian
Michael Bennett

....all of then running faster than 10.20. No white NFLer has ever ran a sub 10.30.