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    LeBron's defense is entirely overated in the regular season and vs teams.

    Against good teams he generally brings it and his versatility is legit as .
    It's well-known that Miami coasts in the regular season and Kang is no exception.... when he isn't coasting, he's a legitimately scary defensive player.... when he's at the top of his game defensively, he is disciplined and avoids foul trouble....

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    huge stretch, it was basically because he Rose can't hit it from outside. Lebron couldn't guard westchuck, paul or curry.
    Kang would absolutely shut down Choke Paul.... Choke cowers and disappears against bigger defenders....

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    People trying to say Lebron isn't as good at defense as people claim.

    They guy legitimately anchored one of the top defenses in the league and routinely guarded the other teams best player in critical situations. That doesn't even take into consideration that he does so while bearing the most offensive burden in the league.

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    Kang would absolutely shut down Choke Paul.... Choke cowers and disappears against bigger defenders....
    Doubt it tbh, would get him in foul trouble... and ive been saying paul is a choking loser way before it was cool tbh

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    People trying to say Lebron isn't as good at defense as people claim.

    They guy legitimately anchored one of the top defenses in the league and routinely guarded the other teams best player in critical situations. That doesn't even take into consideration that he does so while bearing the most offensive burden in the league.
    None can effectively guard any player from 1 to 5, saying lebron cant do that makes him no worse.

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    It's not a stretch that he DID defend Duncan and Rose. You wanted examples. I gave you examples.

    You're full blown re ed if you don't think he can defend Curry or Westbrook. Danny Green is athletic enough to defend those players, but Bron isn't? Bron's fist step is still one the quickest and most powerful in the league.
    I see, so nick young is a great defender... sure he could defend him on isos but no way he could guard curry off the screen...

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    Lebron can legitimately defend positions 1-5.

    Against the Spurs he could defend Parker, Manu, Kawhi, Splitter or Duncan and be the best defender on the floor. I'm not sure how that's "overrated." He has to bear most of the load on the offensive end, so it doesn't make sense for him to kill himself on defense for 48 minutes. But for a quarter or two, there isn't a better defensive player in the league.
    if Lance freaking Stephenson can have success posting LeBum up then Splitter and Timmy would have a field day. Kawhi also had success last year posting up Lebron iirc.

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    LeBron is severely overrated defensively. Let's see, what premier players has he shut down these last few playoffs? D. Rose and Tony Parker. Both around 6'1. There's literally barely any talent in the East since the Big 3 era began and the fact that all three of them played in Eas-...I digress.

    So tell me, if LeBum is such a great defender what happened in 2007, 2011, and 2012? He didn't shut down Tony, Dirk, or KD, and was 28 seconds away from his last memory of the finals being ripped by TP in the waning moments of game 6.

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    Lebron can legitimately defend positions 1-5.

    Against the Spurs he could defend Parker, Manu, Kawhi, Splitter or Duncan and be the best defender on the floor. I'm not sure how that's "overrated." He has to bear most of the load on the offensive end, so it doesn't make sense for him to kill himself on defense for 48 minutes. But for a quarter or two, there isn't a better defensive player in the league.
    this, people just try to find flaws in the game Lebron. If it has deficiencies is certainly not defending this guy was in the handchecking would be scary defensively

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    belinelli defended against westbrook on a possession yesterday, does that make him capable of defending westbrook?
    Does belinelli have the physical attributes conducive to (consistent) successful defense vs Westbrook?

    LeBron has the physical ability to successfully defend 1-5. I think he could defend Duncan well for stretches. He already has. I think Duncan would figure him out and get some buckets/get him in foul trouble, but you're also talking about the best power forward to ever play basketball.

    I'm not one of these guys on Spurstalk who blows Lebron up and down every thread. I used to hate the guy, but that's slowly faded and I think he's an alright dude and an incredible basketball player. Probably the best to ever play. His defense, when it needs to be, is special.

    It's not like Kobe's mythical lockdown defense. You can maybe count a handful of times Kobe ever locked down a premier player. LeBron has had to do it during every playoff run.

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    LeBron is severely overrated defensively. Let's see, what premier players has he shut down these last few playoffs? D. Rose and Tony Parker. Both around 6'1. There's literally barely any talent in the East since the Big 3 era began and the fact that all three of them played in Eas-...I digress.

    So tell me, if LeBum is such a great defender what happened in 2007, 2011, and 2012? He didn't shut down Tony, Dirk, or KD, and was 28 seconds away from his last memory of the finals being ripped by TP in the waning moments of game 6.
    Durant, Carmelo, Rondo and Pierce come to mind.







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    Does belinelli have the physical attributes conducive to (consistent) successful defense vs Westbrook?

    LeBron has the physical ability to successfully defend 1-5. I think he could defend Duncan well for stretches. He already has. I think Duncan would figure him out and get some buckets/get him in foul trouble, but you're also talking about the best power forward to ever play basketball.

    I'm not one of these guys on Spurstalk who blows Lebron up and down every thread. I used to hate the guy, but that's slowly faded and I think he's an alright dude and an incredible basketball player. Probably the best to ever play. His defense, when it needs to be, is special.

    It's not like Kobe's mythical lockdown defense. You can maybe count a handful of times Kobe ever locked down a premier player. LeBron has had to do it during every playoff run.
    I've never been a lebron hater and i wouldnt have had any problem with him winning dpoy last year, but i dont agree that he can defend fives... simply that.

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    Last night was one of the first times I can recall seeing KD be visibly winded. He was obviously running on fumes by the 4th, and his shooting performance showed it. If OKC's game plan is to run KD for 45 minutes, try to be offensive option 1A (with the only other real option being 1B), AND try to defend the paint all night and contain Leonard and Duncan in the post....well then by all means, keep rolling like that, Scotty Brooks.

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    I've never been a lebron hater and i wouldnt have had any problem with him winning dpoy last year, but i dont agree that he can defend fives... simply that.
    No. You're argument was that he couldn't defend 5's or 1's.

    what 5 can he guard?
    huge stretch, it was basically because he Rose can't hit it from outside. Lebron couldn't guard westchuck, paul or curry.
    He proved he could defend 1's. And he's successfully defended 5's. He's shutdown rose and he played good defense on Westbrook for stretches during the Finals. You honestly think he couldn't defend Paul or Curry? You're going to pick random players he hasn't had to defend, to prove he cant defend them. You keep moving the goalposts.

    I don't think he could defend Hibbert for an entire game. But I think he could do just as well or better than Bosh or Birdman. Does that mean he cant defend 5's? Duncan couldn't defend Amare. Does that mean he couldn't/cant defend 4's?

    So I guess your argument is that he can't defend on the dominant 5's in the league, like Splitter, Bogut and Robin Lopez. Right

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    I see, so nick young is a great defender... sure he could defend him on isos but no way he could guard curry off the screen...
    oh, screens...


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    lebron's defense is so overrated, eventhough he's a good defensive player
    Truth nuclear submarine.Lebronzes D is the most overrated thing since the Kardasians

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    Lebron is essentially the only perimeter superstar player in history that runs the entire offense AND has to defend the opposing team's best player for key stretches in the game, tbh..

    The standard he is held to is unreal..he has never had a Pippen(the greatest of all-time at perimeter defense) or Artest(top 3 of his generation), not even an Ariza..his defensive help has been a senior Shane Battier that hasn't successfully defended anybody since 2010..

    Magic, Bird, Kobe, etc were never asked to do that, tbh..not even Dad Killer, since he had Scottie to do the heavy lifting on defense..

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    This seemed like such a good topic, until someone decides to turned it into a Lebron defense thread..

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    Why are people comparing KD with Lebron, tbh?

    KD is a nice offensive player, that greatly benefits from his anorexia... Lebron is a genetic beast...

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    Durant is actually a pretty good defensive player, tbh, he's far from a liability..

    It's just difficult for high-usage players, especially in OKC without a system, to exert constant energy on defense when they're carrying the offensive load..it's why big men are so underrated on all-time lists, they had so much more responsibly than their perimeter counterparts(particularly Duncan and Olajuwon)..

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    Last night was one of the first times I can recall seeing KD be visibly winded. He was obviously running on fumes by the 4th, and his shooting performance showed it. If OKC's game plan is to run KD for 45 minutes, try to be offensive option 1A (with the only other real option being 1B), AND try to defend the paint all night and contain Leonard and Duncan in the post....well then by all means, keep rolling like that, Scotty Brooks.
    The key to winning this series is to make sure that both KD and Westbrook are winded by the time they hit the 4th quarter. That means have both players work really hard on defense.

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    The key to winning this series is to make sure that both KD and Westbrook are winded by the time they hit the 4th quarter. That means have both players work really hard on defense.
    This.

    This is why Pop is having Leonard be so active on offense and they are trying to get Westbrook to have play defense on SOMEBODY…whether that is Green or Parker or Bellinelli or whomever.

    This was, I believe, the point of the op before it got hijacked. And this is what we have to keep doing. Particularly to those two players.

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    Lebron is essentially the only perimeter superstar player in history that runs the entire offense AND has to defend the opposing team's best player for key stretches in the game, tbh..

    The standard he is held to is unreal..he has never had a Pippen(the greatest of all-time at perimeter defense) or Artest(top 3 of his generation), not even an Ariza..his defensive help has been a senior Shane Battier that hasn't successfully defended anybody since 2010..

    Magic, Bird, Kobe, etc were never asked to do that, tbh..not even Dad Killer, since he had Scottie to do the heavy lifting on defense..
    Shane has done an excellent job these last couple championship runs tbh he's far from a liability out there.

    I don't understand why you're bringing up his offensive responsibility or comparing him to other stars. We're just talking about his abilities on the defensive end being overrated. He's a great defender, but not as great as people make him seem, and he def can't guard 4s and 5s unless they're a soft jumpshooter or something. He can't defend someone like Tim, Al Jef, Zbo/Gasol, etc any big that can post up p much.

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    If LeBron is such a great defender, why is Paul George guarding him, but Lebron isnt guarding Paul George? Same thing when the Heat play the Thunder

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