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    Aldon Smith, Deacon Jones ,Charles Haley, Fred Dean, Bruce Smith. Randy White. Lawrence Taylor, Derrick Thomas are/were all big guys. They could all get to the QB. What would a 4.3 guy be able to do on third and long, a 190 pounder with blazing speed. Could a big tackle deal with someone that fast? Wouldn't they need to keep a back in or two backs if these speedsters came from both side?
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    somebody who would have to run that wide would lose contain instantly. it would also make them very vulnerable to a draw play

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    somebody who would have to run that wide would lose contain instantly. it would also make them very vulnerable to a draw play
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    Aldo Smith, Deacon Jones ,Charles Haley, Fred Dean, Bruce Smith. Randy White. Lawrence Taylor, Derrick Thomas are/were all big guys. They could all get to the QB. What would a 4.3 guy be able to do on third and long, a 190 pounder with blazing speed. Could a big tackle deal with someone that fast? Wouldn't they need to keep a back in or two backs if these speedsters came from both side?
    The way you would negate speed is to have wider splits between the offensive linemen. It forces the pass rusher to run farther around the ends.

    refer to Mike Leach for further education.

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    There's likely a reason that in the history of football, nobody has tried this.

    There was a fad, years ago (particularly in high schools and colleges), with putting undersized, quicker guys on the nose with the thought that they could beat lumbering centers and create havoc; it didn't work for very long.

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    190 lbs? It wouldn't take much to get him off of his feet and out of the play, tbh. Where would you line him up? In the normal DE spot? If so, it wouldn't work at all. Maybe in a 3-4 defense as an OLB, but then he's going to be weak in run support. I guess as a situational player it may work. However, teams will just game plan for it.

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    There's likely a reason that in the history of football, nobody has tried this.

    There was a fad, years ago (particularly in high schools and colleges), with putting undersized, quicker guys on the nose with the thought that they could beat lumbering centers and create havoc; it didn't work for very long.
    Jay Ratliff was a perfect example of this. Eventually the years of wear and tear from being undersized wore on him and the injuries started to pile up.

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    You're a in idiot.

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    ld gt

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    190 lbs? It wouldn't take much to get him off of his feet and out of the play, tbh. Where would you line him up? In the normal DE spot? If so, it wouldn't work at all. Maybe in a 3-4 defense as an OLB, but then he's going to be weak in run support. I guess as a situational player it may work. However, teams will just game plan for it.
    Lol I missed the 190lb part.

    that sounds more like a safety blitz where the running back picks him up.

    is OP really this dumb

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    somebody who would have to run that wide would lose contain instantly. it would also make them very vulnerable to a draw play
    I don't see that happening, I can see thee speedsters playing in tight and head up on the tackle. Then it's his burst being the difference. A quick fast cat runing forward vs a 290 pounder trying to back peddle.

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    The way you would negate speed is to have wider splits between the offensive linemen. It forces the pass rusher to run farther around the ends.

    refer to Mike Leach for further education.
    Now think about that for a minute. What will wider splits do for your quicker backers?

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    I don't see that happening, I can see thee speedsters playing in tight and head up on the tackle. Then it's his burst being the difference. A quick fast cat runing forward vs a 290 pounder trying to back peddle.
    They wouldn't run at the tackle. Once he gets his mitts on a 190 pound mutt it would be game over. He would have to run wide to get around the tackle

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    190 lbs? It wouldn't take much to get him off of his feet and out of the play, tbh. Where would you line him up? In the normal DE spot? If so, it wouldn't work at all. Maybe in a 3-4 defense as an OLB, but then he's going to be weak in run support. I guess as a situational player it may work. However, teams will just game plan for it.
    How many teams run the ball at third and 7 or more which is what I'm talking about? You'd put our speedster right over that big slow (in comparison) tackle. A 4.3 is going to havre that quick burst, I can see them blowing right by a big lumbering tackle.

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    Ever pay attention to extra points and punts? What do we see there? Yep, that speedster totally blowing by the big tackle.

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    Lol I missed the 190lb part.

    that sounds more like a safety blitz where the running back picks him up.

    is OP really this dumb
    That's what this is all about as I mentioned. Yes you'd need to keep in backs to pick up these speedsters. Which does what, yep, less receivers out on patterns.

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    DAMN-IT!, I did it again. I forgot to run this by you first, my bad.

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    I don't see that happening, I can see thee speedsters playing in tight and head up on the tackle. Then it's his burst being the difference. A quick fast cat runing forward vs a 290 pounder trying to back peddle.
    How many teams run the ball at third and 7 or more which is what I'm talking about? You'd put our speedster right over that big slow (in comparison) tackle. A 4.3 is going to havre that quick burst, I can see them blowing right by a big lumbering tackle.
    Sure there might be some success per game, but it wouldn't really be a game changer. If he's lining up on the line the tackle would realistically only need to get one hand on him to slow him down. If the player is only 190, there is no way for him to have long term success. And yes, teams have been known to run some on 3-7. Perfect time to run the draw when the "speedster" is in, because he would no doubt lose contain.

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    Sure there might be some success per game, but it wouldn't really be a game changer. If he's lining up on the line the tackle would realistically only need to get one hand on him to slow him down. If the player is only 190, there is no way for him to have long term success. And yes, teams have been known to run some on 3-7. Perfect time to run the draw when the "speedster" is in, because he would no doubt lose contain.
    I just remember how easily I blew by would be blockers in flag football***. I was a HS sprinter and far faster than defensive linemen and backers. A quick fast cat is going to be hard to handle for a big tackle not used to dealing with guy with those kinds of jets.

    The thing is make it to where backs must stay in to pass block. Teams we played had to keep a guy in to block me.

    *** was a running back/cornerback in high school football.

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    I just remember how easily I blew by would be blockers in flag football***. I was a HS sprinter and far faster than defensive linemen and backers. A quick fast cat is going to be hard to handle for a big tackle not used to dealing with guy with those kinds of jets.

    The thing is make it to where backs must stay in to pass block. Teams we played had to keep a guy in to block me.

    *** was a running back/cornerback in high school football.
    Surely you can't be serious.

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    Surely you can't be serious.
    I'm dead serious. A fast/quick cat vs a big tackle, it works because I 've seen it done.

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    I don't even why I bother... but you're comparing your intramural games to professionals. Big difference.

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