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TD's style is so much more fundamental than LBJ's.
You might have some kind of argument if Lebron had carried his team to a ring with some fairly unknown players. Doing this in the West would help your argument.
Tim is a franchise waiting to be built. Lebron is good advertising.
They are equivalent as far as their importance to their respective teams. Lebron will likely be the most important miami player of all time like duncan is for us.
People have forgotten how good was Duncan in the '99 and '03 runs. While in '99 he had a solid support from DRob, who was still all-star and all defensive player, in '03 there was just Timmy. Pop was great coaching defense, but his offense coaching was only average then. Without prime Shaq plus Kobe in his way from '00 to '02 coached by the master of defense and efficient triangle offense Phil Jax, Duncan would have won some additional les. Shaq was impressed by that '03 run and named Tim the "big fundamental".
Today, Spurs success is more based on Pop offensive and defensive systems then individual talent, but Duncan is still one of Spurs best two players (the other being Parker).
LeBron's championship teams were loaded with talent. He failed to win it all in '07, but bigman have greater impact on the game. It's not just the efficient indefensive scoring, it's also the rebounding and defense.
Duncan's championship count is anything but over. The Spurs were second from winning the 5-th last seasons in game 6 (Duncan would have won the finals MVP, he played better then LeBron btw) and are 2:0 in the WCF's this season.
No! He's allowed to barrel into anyone, travel and gets bailed out on calls! Please he's a joke!
The reason people were so angry is that idiot kept jerking them around without making a decision and by the time he decided which I think he already knew he was leaving, all of the free agents were gone and Cleveland got nothing! He should've told management he was not going to stay and they could've signed a good free agent but kept them hoping and left! They got nothing! The embarrassment of the decision on TV was horrible to those fans! So I don't blame them for being angry!
Duncan makes teammates better. LeBron doesn't. Don't think Duncan doesn't deserve some of the credit for Danny Green playing so well in SA while playing like crap in Cleveland. In a recent interview when he was asked why he's so confident when he shoots, he said it's because he always hears Timmy in his head saying "Light it" or something like that. Duncan gets the most out of his teammates, LeBron just wants a supporting cast so he can get a ring. Look at Wade and Bosh since LeBron went to Miami, they regressed.
Well your username is definitely fitting.
Statistically, that was his best year...his playoff numbers that year were staggering. An arguement can be made that he is one of the top 5 most effective players ever...certainly numbers wise.the crazy thing tho is that hes still not even close to jordan, whose numbers were so high he has no compe ion for best of all tike, not even close.
I dont really get people saying lebron doesnt make his team better..the guy averaged more assists than tony parker most of his career, and most of his career was spent on a team full of total scrubs
who doesnt agree with this lebron is gonna be the goat when he retires thats why we have to beat him this year
He wont be ahead of jordan. Its already too late. Jordans numbers..not to mention rings..crush even lebrons
once they catch james with steroids people will bash him
LeBron achieved as much as Jordan did at same age, actually more.
Ray Allen's 3 already at least tied him with Duncan. That is not a knock on him, Duncan had a very bad series against the Pistons and needed Horry to bail him out. Everyone needs help.
4 MVP, 2 FMVP > 2 MVP and 3 FMVP. MVP > FMVP (same reason most would rank Nash ahead of Parker back then, much harder to carry a team for a full season than 4 games). # of championships doesn't mean as much as MVP/FMVP, otherwise Kobe would be ahead of Duncan which we all know is not true. Whether Duncan deserved 2007 FMVP over Parker is irrelevant when people compare all time greats.
If LeBron wins this year he is top 5 all time, Duncan is stuck in 6-10. Unfortunately for Duncan he plays with a small market team and inferior talents to the three-peat teams (Jordan/Pippen, Shaq/Kobe, LeBron/Wade?). Popovich did not become the best coach in the league until he is stuck with a really crappy set of cards and have to come up with the greatest system in the history of basketball.
So yes Duncan is my favorite player and I personally believe he would be even higher in rankings if he played for a big market team, but in most rankings, LeBron would already be ahead of him today and unless LeBron gets hit by a big injury and wins no further MVP/FMVP's from here on, he will definitely be ahead of Duncan by the time he is done.
Last edited by hitmantb; 05-23-2014 at 03:29 PM.
Tim never left to get his friends to help him win a le.
If Tim was drafted by Cleveland you bet he would.
Are we saying if your management can't get you a good team/coach you should punish yourself forever?
Lol dont quite see your logic here...Go back and review the numbers. Lebron is by far the biggest stats monster of his generation. His numbers are some of the biggest of all time. That said, they are still FAR behind jordans. Jordans numbers are so far ahead of anyone in the modern era, its crazy. And his playoff numbers were EVEN HIGHER...Jordan won his first le 6 years in, sooner that lebron. He won 3 in a row....twice. he is a SIX TIME Finals MVP. Its already too late for lebron to eclipse or even match jordan's stats...and he has a LONG way to go to match him in the winning department.
If Lebron is the best player you've ever seen in your life, the first question I have is how old are you? Anyone who saw Michael Jordan play knows there is no argument in terms of who is the best player.
In my opinion Lebron has a little ways to go to pass Timmy. Lebron is knocking on the door of top 10 all time player. Duncan is currently in the top 6 (though probably can't move any higher). I can see Bron being considered top 5 by the time he is done.
Along those lines, how many peak years does Lebron have left? Going into his age 30 season and, more importantly, a ton of mileage on his body. Does he have more than 5 peak years left?
Also, LeBron played in an extremely weak era in terms of stars. His MVP's came with hardly any compe ion. Look at who he had to go against. Dwight Howard, Carmello Anthony, Blake Griffin, Chris Paul, young Kevin Durant, Derrick Rose who broke himself, he had some very lame compe ion. Tim had Kobe, Shaq, Vince Carter, Dirk, Nash, much harder compe ion. LeBron is lucky to have played in a very weak era of basketball in terms of star power. So given that, his MVP's don't speak as loudly to me as much as MJ's or even Duncan's do, besides, we all know Duncan should've gotten three MVP's.
Jordan averaged over 30ppg 8 times..if he hadnt left those 2 seasons he would have had 10 consecutive seasons over 30 ppg..the crazy part is that his average fg% during that time was .52!!!!!
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