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Embiid like "ow my back"
The Cavs are making noises that they aren’t going to offer Kyrie Irving “max money’’ this summer via a long-term extension. They don’t want to deal the 2014 All-Star Game MVP, but it could come to that, especially if the West Orange product and his family continue to tell people that he wants out. Irving hasn’t been a leader in his first three seasons and he’s also gained the unwelcomed reputation as a locker-room problem. Those are two reasons the Cavs don’t see him as a max player.
“He was just handed too much, too soon,’’ said one source. “You’ve got to make these young guys earn it, and that’s where this team did a bad job with him.’’
?http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...icle-1.1804428
Embiid like "ow my back"
If I'm Cleveland I offer him Parker / Rondo money w/ a player out after 3 years and tell him "if you want more, prove you're worth it. make your teammates better and you'll be rewarded. Until then, here's 12M a year."
would rather let him walk, could care about value return, when its crap anyway
make him suffer the financial consquences, whose got the max to offer anyway
of he can goto LA and play with kobe for 15m
Cavs will be foolish not to offer him max because a lot of teams will present that number in their offer sheets. Even though we can all agree he doesn't deserve it, the market dictates a players value and a young All Star will always receive ridiculous numbers from every franchise given a chance.
Kyrie > Harding tbh
but Kyrie too lite in the ass to deserve Max...I hope he doesn't Sprewell himself
Cleveland is such a ing trainwreck. Wonder if Irving is a piece of or if that franchise is just cancer to talent. No way Irving is staying there on anything less than a max contract.
Smartest line of thinking the Cavs have done in long, long time.
It's both, tbh.... Cavs are a joke, and Kyrie is a cancer who hogs the ball, plays no D, and is despised by his teammates....
Still, who cares about being despised by crap like Dion Waiters, Anthony Bennett, Tristan Thompson, etc.? Seemed like a decent enough teammate at Duke, but maybe a is frustrated being on such a loser of a franchise. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see him move to another team and do really well there. Damn I feel bad for Embiid, Wiggins, Parker, or whoever else has the misfortune of being picked by that worthless team.
Inadvertently ting on Clippa Nations wack ass take.
Kyrie literally got the beaten out of him by that "crap" in the locker room for being such a selfish , so he probably should care, tbh
Not really Kyrie's fault that Waiters sucks. wasn't any good at Syracuse either.Kyrie literally got the beaten out of him by that "crap" in the locker room for being such a selfish , so he probably should care, tbh
They`ll offer him max anyway.
He'll sign a max offer sheet and Cavs will match. No way he leaves after the cavs get the #1 again
Overrated . Selfish, low iq bball, doesn't play defense. Not Worth a max contract. Yet.
This is true. The Kyrie bashing is overblown. The Cavs locker room chemistry was really between Kyrie and Dion, with Bynum on the side. Waiters' problem is he thinks he's better than what he is.
It's borderline idiotic to offer a player a max extension if you're unsure about his long-term prospects. Worst comes to worse, they just match his offer-sheet in 2015. I actually doubt he gets a max offer unless he plays significantly better next season.
The only time you should offer a max extension is if you intend to go for the five-year deal. I doubt the Cavs go there, as they may well want to save it for Embiid/whomever they draft this season. Also, max extensions allow for a player with Irving's accolades to earn the Rose-max of 30 percent of the cap instead of the regular max of 25. If the Cavs let him sign an offer sheet, he can only get the lower figure.
Yes and no. He sure as ain't worth it but it's gonna be hard to sell the casual fan on a marketable product when you keep watching your top picks skip town. Furthermore, what kind of message does that send to the future top pick?
Catch-22 for Cleveland.
Curry didn't get a max contact either iirc
True. Waiters is a 2nd-year player on a bad team that thinks he should get superstar calls from the refs and superstar respect from his teammates even though he hasn't earned it.
Kyrie to a certain extent is being forced to cash some checks LeBron wrote, so to speak. I think a lot of people in Cleveland- fans and media- felt pretty foolish after they kissed LeBron's ass for seven years and he blew town anyway. So they're tough on Kyrie to make up for not being tough on LeBron.
Still, Kyrie brings some of this on himself. His body language sucks, his effort in a lot of areas has been spotty- there have been too many nights where he spends 35 minutes moping around, being a turnstile on defense and then the last five playing hero ball to try and make up for it.
IIRC Windhorst thinks they'll offer him the max and if he tries to pull a LeBron and asks a shorter deal with an opt-out they'll go ahead and shop him.
Cavs would be stupid to offer any point guard max money. Let him walk and bring in a legit center. They have a 1st overall pick, they can get whomever they want. He's not a max money guy.
Players don't stay because the fans are sycophants. They stay because the money is good and the front office is serious about competing. You're told your the best thing that ever happened to the game, since 8th grade, and you see that in your 1st year in the NBA, right out of high school, you're doing better than most guys who've been there for years. You have to think you're meant for bigger things than a facade of an attempt to get a championship for Cleveland... and 4 years later Cleveland is still picking in the draft. Just goes to show you they have never been serious about winning.
cleveland would be much better off if instead of NBA gifting them #1 picks every year, they gave them an arena in key west or some sunny ass city, that would change the franchise 180 degrees
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