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Is Duncan top 10 without Amy?
if he cant ride another big man to a 6th le? Pippen won 6 les as a sidekick and he's nowhere near top 10. When DHoward on Kobricks fake legacy and left,,,time is running out for him. All that may be left is The Tape part 2 coming soon for Laker fans to enjoy in the future.
Is Duncan top 10 without Amy?
Kobe won't ring again. The best he can do is 10th, but should be 11-13.
No, but he's earned himself a fairly high place in the big picture of NBA history.
I couldn't find a single list without him in the top 10 tbh. Its only to delusional butt hurt fans here that he's somewhere in the 20-30th place of all time. At the end of the day, he surpassed all his peers of his generation (lebrons not his generation) and his place is safe.
http://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-li...rs-of-all-time
Slam Magazine has him 10th
http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._greatest.html
Fox sports @ 8th
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/T...photo=30219332
We know he can repeat.
I think this is the best way to think of it. As HH said, with the proliferation of advanced stats & with Kobe continuing his antics while entering TOSB status, the luster of Kobe will wear off. He is a massive figure in NBA history however, but I don't think he will be considered top 10. He will fall in that 12-15 range.
Welcome back, Thread. That TOSB about to tie Kobrick for les
Jordan, Kareem, Wilt, Hakeem, Bird, Magic, LeBron, Duncan, Shaq, Russell in no particular order...
nary room for Kobe tbh.
Exactly right,,,none were sidekicks for les,,,especially for 5 of them like Kobrick.
Better than Hakeem IMO, so if Hakeem is 10th or top 10, Kobe's there
can't deny the three-peat and leading the Lakers to 3 straight Finals without Shaq.
Yes, it's delusional to put Kobe behind Hakeem. Kobe has clearly had the better career.
Yes. I have the same 10.
Hakeem should definitely be there - the only player ever to win MVP, DPOY, and Finals MVP in the same year. Maybe Kobe had the better-looking career on paper, but Hakeem was the better player, and that's what this discussion is about.
No, Kobe doesn't belong above Hakeem when talking about top 10 players. Hakeem elevated his game in the playoffs every year. Kobe's stats almost always dipped. With the game on the line in the playoffs, Kobe's stats are just pathetic.
So is Kobe of Duncan's generation? And if Duncan's played 2 (maybe 3 to come) Finals with Lebron, did we skip some generation with Kobe in it? Kobe has not surpassed Duncan or Shaq.
So, Kobe fans, which do you prefer - Lebron with a 3peat, 4 MVPs and 3 FMVPs or Duncan with 5 rings (no more 5>4)? Seems to me like you'd probably have to be cheering for the Spurs.
Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Jordan, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem, Lebron, Moses Malone.
Then there's Jerry West and Dr. J.
Kobe is, at best, top 12 to 14.
IMHO, he should be in the same level as Thomas, Dirk and Robinson.
At the end of his career, pundits will not remember him for his failures, no one really does. It will be about his career numbers, positive records he broke, championships and individual accolades.
He helped the Lakers won 5 championship (7 trips to the Finals) 3 meaningful MVP's, will finish 3rd in All time scoring (Most career points in the playoffs) and a huge amount of spectacular highlights and scoring games in his resume.
The narrative for Kobe finished after he broke his Achilles, his legacy and ranking IMO was set. No amount of accomplishment will shoot him higher than 9, and no failures will bring him below 10, until another player pushes him out, which could be Durant in a decade. He's a great player and it's not a stretch to have him in a Top 10.
Seriously you couldn't come up with a better retort than that? I'm guessing it was your first thought.
You should tread lightly with this. You're setting Tim up for failure should he not ring this season. He's already in the top 10, perhaps even top 5. Lebron shouldn't be in the talk yet. He's got a long ways to go and he needed super friends to get the hardware.
A faced first post doesn't deserve a better retort. begets more
list including current players (where they finished their career):
1. MJ (ultimate compe or)
2. LeBron (best all around player ever)
3. Russel (ultimate winner)
4. Kareem (all time stats)
5. Duncan (longevity and winner)
6. Magic (putting the league over)
7. Bird (see Magic)
8. Wilt (best averages, one game stats)
9. Kobe (not sure...probably a little bit of everything)
10. Durant (ultimate scoring machine)
depending on what you weigh higher (kareems longevity over russels championships), there could be some shuffeling between positions but I don't see one of the top 9 slipping out of the top10.
Germany
MJ
Russell/KAJ
Magic/Bird
Shaq/Kobe
Duncan
Wilt
West/Oscar
Hakeem
Bran
Dr J/Moses
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