Oklahoma City just set an NBA record..

[ElNono]

we were talking about a hypothetical scenario lol. Its parallelism, if you dont see an issue with reffing that led to the LARGEST FREE THROW DISPARITY IN NBA HISTORY, then you would probably make an excuse for the hypothetical scenario.

It was also historical for WB and KD when they only had very few freebies in the first 2 games. Should any OKC fan tell you those games were rigged? I mean, they've been getting to the line at X rate for the whole season. The bottom line is we can write 300 pages out of hypotheticals on freebies, when there's much more clear factors of why the Spurs lost this particular game.

[Agloco]

Yeah, I mean, if we shot well, rebound and lost by 3 after that Mills call, I can see that...

It's really the other side of the equation where the difference with the refs comes through though. If you look at OKCs FG%, it's not all that stellar either (45%) and it's even worse if you consider the 3 and 4th quarters alone. Now instead of continuing to chuck at a low rate, they're getting to the line where they're shooting in the high 80s at worst. That averages out to a better outcome given their poor shooting......especially in the second half when the FT disparity was largely in OKCs favor.

Just saying.

[Agloco]

The refs were pretty bad(as usual, but that should be expected against the coddled MVP at home). However with the amount of offensive rebounds and sloppy plays I saw today, I can't blame this on the refs. The Spurs were right in this game; and if someone other than Manu had shown up, the rest would be history

This pretty much. Manu disappeared in the second half and no one stepped up. And I mean no one.

[ElNono]

Or maybe the momentum of the game is affected by not getting those key calls, pressure shifts if we make that 3, but you can ignore it all you want, basketball is a game of momentum and that call ended the game, they hit a 3 right after and their methhead crowd ejaculated and the momentum killed us

Maybe the universe shifted because of Scott Foster blowing his whistle... and that caused Tony to slip or Tiago not be able to box out. Hypoteticals are like that, I guess.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

It's really the other side of the equation where the difference with the refs comes through though. If you look at OKCs FG%, it's not all that stellar either (45%) and it's even worse if you consider the 3 and 4th quarters alone. Now instead of continuing to chuck at a low rate, they're getting to the line where they're shooting in the high 80s at worst. That averages out to a better outcome given their poor shooting......especially in the second half when the FT disparity was largely in OKCs favor.

Just saying.

Elnono doesnt understand basketball, you are wasting your breath

[jARS mEsH sEt]

It was also historical for WB and KD when they only had very few freebies in the first 2 games. Should any OKC fan tell you those games were rigged? I mean, they've been getting to the line at X rate for the whole season. The bottom line is we can write 300 pages out of hypotheticals on freebies, when there's much more clear factors of why the Spurs lost this particular game.

Absolutely. Game 2 was absolutely reffed in favor of the Spurs. However, it's unclear whether or not fair reffing would have overcome a 30 point deficit (or whatever we won by).

Tonight, OKC won by 9. The probability of a game with biased reffing in favor of the winning team being rigged is inversely proportional to the final margin.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

It was also historical for WB and KD when they only had very few freebies in the first 2 games. Should any OKC fan tell you those games were rigged? I mean, they've been getting to the line at X rate for the whole season. The bottom line is we can write 300 pages out of hypotheticals on freebies, when there's much more clear factors of why the Spurs lost this particular game.

Are you an OKC fan, you are defending this show from the refs to the death

[ElNono]

It's really the other side of the equation where the difference with the refs comes through though. If you look at OKCs FG%, it's not all that stellar either (45%) and it's even worse if you consider the 3 and 4th quarters alone. Now instead of continuing to chuck at a low rate, they're getting to the line where they're shooting in the high 80s at worst. That averages out to a better outcome given their poor shooting......especially in the second half when the FT disparity was largely in OKCs favor.

Just saying.

That's part of the game though. They got into the bonus early, and they went to get calls. I can see one or two calls that were on the perimeter, but that's a 4 point swing at most. The Spurs went into the bonus early in the 1st half and we were jacking up jumpers. That's stuff the Spurs can control. That's on us. We did a poor job at it.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

A game is "rigged" when biased reffing alters the outcome of a hypothetical, perfectly reffed game.

[ElNono]

Are you an OKC fan, you are defending this show from the refs to the death

I ed about refs all the time when it comes to RefKC... I thought Game 6 in 2012 was a screwjob. But I would hate the discussion about this particular game being centered on this when we helped a lot to lose this game.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

I ed about refs all the time when it comes to RefKC... I thought Game 6 in 2012 was a screwjob. But I would hate the discussion about this particular game being centered on this when we helped a lot to lose this game.

To be fair, "we" don't do anything. Players play the game. Whether or not fans about the refs is immaterial.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

I'd agree with your take if we were talking about the players The players cannot get too fixated on biased reffing. They need to focus on things that they can control.

We're not the players, though.

[Agloco]

That's part of the game though. They got into the bonus early, and they went to get calls. I can see one or two calls that were on the perimeter, but that's a 4 point swing at most. The Spurs went into the bonus early in the 1st half and we were jacking up jumpers. That's stuff the Spurs can control. That's on us. We did a poor job at it.

I was just playing devils advocate tbh. I'm not getting into the validity of the calls at all, just the number. I do believe that the Spurs played crappy and that you can't pin this on the refs......this time around.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

I ed about refs all the time when it comes to RefKC... I thought Game 6 in 2012 was a screwjob. But I would hate the discussion about this particular game being centered on this when we helped a lot to lose this game.

This was as bad as 2012 game 6 lol
LARGEST FREE THROW DISPARITY IN NBA HISTORY IN THE THIRD QUARTER "No big deal, gotta play better" El Nono, stfu

[ElNono]

Absolutely. Game 2 was absolutely reffed in favor of the Spurs. However, it's unclear whether or not fair reffing would have overcome a 30 point deficit (or whatever we won by).

Tonight, OKC won by 9. The probability of a game with biased reffing in favor of the winning team being rigged is inversely proportional to the final margin.

Pop pulled the plug when we were down 14... which is another topic altogether... before he did that, Boris threw a couple of bricks from downtown, then Kawhi did the same... we didn't have it tonight. We were due for a poor shooting night, and we compounded it with poor rebounding and ty play from our PG... if you're looking why we lost this game, you don't need to look further than there.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Overall I don't mind because the Spurs received the OKC treatment in game 2 (and probably game 1), so it's only fair OKC gets the OKC treatment (...) for a home game.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Overall I don't mind because the Spurs received the OKC treatment in game 2 (and probably game 1), so it's only fair OKC gets the OKC treatment (...) for a home game.

Tell me you are joking, Game 1 was definitely in their favor, Game 2 we got the calls in the second half and it was NOTHING LIKE TONIGHT

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Pop pulled the plug when we were down 14... which is another topic altogether... before he did that, Boris threw a couple of bricks from downtown, then Kawhi did the same... we didn't have it tonight. We were due for a poor shooting night, and we compounded it with poor rebounding and ty play from our PG... if you're looking why we lost this game, you don't need to look further than there.

I already posted in another topic that OKC outplayed us. That doesn't change the fact that:

1) The first half was reffed in the Spurs' favor even though our free throw advantage was minimal
2) The second half was reffed in OKC's favor (and the final free throw disparity is somewhat deceiving due to legitimate fouls)

There's nothing wrong with calling things out as they are.

[ElNono]

To be fair, "we" don't do anything. Players play the game. Whether or not fans about the refs is immaterial.

I know, I'm talking as a fan. Like I said, there's no point in fixating on this, because "us" as fans can't do either. The whistles are going to be there. I thought we did a poor job defensively too, and I think that's worthy of discussion going into Game 4.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Tell me you are joking, Game 1 was definitely in their favor, Game 2 we got the calls in the second half and it was NOTHING LIKE TONIGHT

I don't remember game 1. Game 2 was definitely in our favor. Remember, refs control games by calling touch fouls in favor of one team and failing to call those same touch fouls for the other team.

There were like 5 or 6 plays in game 2 where Kevin Durant or Westbrook would get "touch fouled" and nothing was called, when they were called in our favor.

[dg7md]

Pop pulled the plug when we were down 14... which is another topic altogether... before he did that, Boris threw a couple of bricks from downtown, then Kawhi did the same... we didn't have it tonight. We were due for a poor shooting night, and we compounded it with poor rebounding and ty play from our PG... if you're looking why we lost this game, you don't need to look further than there.

This is the best take on the game that I've read. It's true that we self-imploded on ourselves when we missed our usual open shots. OKC did play a lot better and that did explain why they ran up the score and dominated when we waved the flag.

However, we could have stolen this game if the refs did call fouls more favorably, we were closing in on them when Patty hit the 3 that got revoked. 19-0 free throws is completely asinine and I've never seen such a disparity.

It's a shame too, because despite how terrible we played, we were actually in a position to take the lead many times throughout the game. That would have been completely demoralizing for OKC... giving them another chance is not good, but I can't imagine we'd play that bad again.

[ElNono]

This was as bad as 2012 game 6 lol
LARGEST FREE THROW DISPARITY IN NBA HISTORY IN THE THIRD QUARTER "No big deal, gotta play better" El Nono, stfu

ofcourse the Spurs gotta play better. That, they can control.

You'll need to do a lot better than tell me to shut up. That's not happening

[jARS mEsH sEt]

And by the way I have absolutely no respect for OKC as a whole. I've said many times that I think they're propped up by the refs far too often and I consider them to be a fraud of a team for that reason. I'm just playing the devil's advocate here and calling things like I see it.

Nothing we've seen so far has been as bad as the travesty that was game 6 of the 2012 WCF, though.

[RD2191]

The refs were the least of my worries tonight but it amazes me how the team with the least amount of fouls commited per game all of a sudden forgets how to defend without fouling against OKC.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

I don't remember game 1. Game 2 was definitely in our favor. Remember, refs control games by calling touch fouls in favor of one team and failing to call those same touch fouls for the other team.

There were like 5 or 6 plays in game 2 where Kevin Durant or Westbrook would get "touch fouled" and nothing was called, when they were called in our favor.

How do you not remember game 1, it was less than a week ago lol