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If not for Manu, the Spurs are getting blown out at halftime.
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Spurs just didn't have it in this game.
It wasn't Ibaka and it wasn't free throws.
If not for Manu, the Spurs are getting blown out at halftime.
"Playoffs?! Playoffs?!!"
Yep. Manu the only Spur who made the charter flight.
Pop did that in '12 and it ended up being costly. You can't take any games for granted. Even forcing their starters to play more minutes prevents them from being confident and rested for the next game.
I don't think we can beat them easily. It's going to take us playing our best ball to beat them. Not turning the ball over and continuing to attack the paint.
Absolutely. It was more about ineffectiveness than anything else.
Pussy move.
Pussy coach.
Pussy team.
This is what blew me away and made me question OKC's veracity all the more. Brooks left Ibaka out there along with many of his starterslong after our starters were pulled, and after they finally got Ibaka out, he just sat down on the bench…no going back to the training room or getting ice or anything, he just sat there like he was healthy as a horse, which I think he is.
I think anyone expecting a dropoff in Ibaka's production from game 3 is gonna be surprised. He looks completely fine to me.
It means that the okc coach will not coddle his players and will have them suck it up and play - this is the playoffs.
If one of the spurs players had this SAME injury -
they would not return until next season.
Also - Pop coddling players and managing minutes is just a pussy mentality -
yet all the sheep in here praise Pop for doing that.
Multi-millionaires whose ONLY job it is - is to play a game -
and they train their entire lives for this -
and Pop feels a need to "protect" them and not let them suffer any discomfort so that they can be "healthy" come playoff time...
then at playoff time - he sits them for most of the game.
Hall of Fame coach lol.
Ibaka is on HGH. There's no denying that fact now... Why doesn't our medical staff lend our guys some of that magic stuff
Yeah. Given the way the refs called the 3rd quarter, there was no possibility of a comeback. Maybe if we shot 90% from the field and 100% from 3 throughout the 4th, we could've sneaked out with a win.
^^^^Well, he played Tony last Finals with a Grade 2 strain in his hammy.
I understand the frustration with not playing people more minutes in the playoffs - and I agree that if we have been saving them all season for this - now is the time to use them.
I even agree that Pop pulls the plug too early occasionally.
But the 'coddling' that you are describing is one of the reasons that Duncan has been able to play so effectively for so many years. He is still going strong (ish) at 38 because Pop has saved some wear and tear on him.
Disagree with this part.
Timmy is who he is at 38 - Pop - didn't change anything - except steal a le or three from Timmy and possibly enabled Timmy to have puss tendencies instead of the being the warrior that Timmy used to be.
38 is not 75 or 80
38 is still young enough where a man can kick some ass if he takes care of himself.
Pop pulled the plug in the 4th in Game 6 and cost us a le,,,,he's not about to change now.
Lol "us"
Lol "Lol"
^^THIS^^
I was at the game, and I was SHOCKED when Popovich pulled his starters so early in the fourth quarter. I have seen too many double digit fourth quarter leads lost in this postseason to have had ANY feeling that game was over when Butler hit the trey to put the Thunder up by 14 with about 6 minutes to go.
I guess I should never be surprised by anything Popovich does, though.
Pop knew,
the same same as we knew,
that this game was fixed.
One way or the other,
the refs were handing
RefKC the game.
Smart move by Pop,
no point in tiring our guys out,
risking injury,
when the deck is stacked.
The only game that makes
any sense, is in a Game 7.
After the theft of the Mills 3 there was a stretch where okc was allowed to foul every play. Took them forever to notice too dumbasses. Why risk injury when you are getting railroaded like that.
OOOOOOKKKKKAAAAYYYYYY......
So, in your world, is Game 4 fixed? For the Thunder or Spurs?
Take off your aluminum hat before answering, please.
I would have pulled Duncan after the refs let OKC leap-frog over his back
How the should he know?
Nobody is claiming to be psychic here, dumbass. People just call the games as they occur.
Game 1 of the ECF was fixed in favor of the Pacers, and they probably stole one that Miami deserved. Game 4 of the ECF was fixed in favor of Miami; however, they thoroughly outplayed the Pacers anyway so the ref help did not end up making a difference.
Game 2 of the WCF was fixed in favor of the Spurs; however, we thoroughly outplayed OKC so it's not clear whether or not that ref advantage changed the outcome of the game. Game 3 of the WCF was fixed in favor of OKC; however, OKC outplayed the spurs so it's not clear if that ref advantaged changed the outcome of the game.
Just call games honestly and unbiasedly. This "
Seriously it's not hard. I'll break it down step by step:
1) Count the number of ticky tack fouls called in favor of both teams
2) Count the number of ticky tack fouls that occur in the game
3) Count the lack of obvious fouls called against both teams
Compare the results of 1, 2, and 3 to determine which team received a net reffing benefit for the game.
It's not ing rocket science.
Look at the basket they just waived off for Stephenson after Wade blatantly flopped. That would've cut the lead to 9 with 3 minutes to go. That's a potential game changer, actually, although the Heat still probably played well enough to win the game anyway even with neutral reffing.
Seriously just call the games honestly and no one will give you for it.
I wouldn't necessarily disagree with this. But FIXED? I don't think so.
Refs are human, and I think they tend to shade close calls in favor of the home team - they are influenced by the crowd to some extent. I think there are some games (or even some stretches within games) where the refs call fouls more closely than others. That can have an effect on teams, depending on their style of play (I don't think it's much of an advantage either way in this series, because both teams play similar styles; but when the refs "let them play" ball CONSISTENTLY calling "loose" fouls, it defintately helps a team like the Grizzlies and hurts a team like the Warriors). But FIXED? I don't think so.
I also think the refs favor certain players with calls. I DO think Durant gets the benefit of calls because the refs look on him as a "good guy" and he's a penetrator, but I think the refs are incredibly hard on Westbrook because they tire of his constant complaining about every call that goes against him. Duncan is known as a whiner, but he's a "good guy" and elder statesman. Parker and Ginobilli are known as floppers, and they don't get some close calls because of their rep. But FIXED? No.
I don't think there is any "FIX" in this series. There is no motive for the league to fix this series (I DO think the NBA would want the Miami Heat to advance to the finals, because they don't want two "small market" teams in the finals, and they are getting a small market team out of the west either way). Even IF you think the refs are favoring the home team tomorrow, let's get off the "FIX" stuff, shall we?
By the way, I think the "Thunderefs" thing is kind of cute. Petty and sop ric, but cute.
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