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The Spurs already have a French SF like that stashed away.
No way the Cavs make that deal. Leonard is a great player, but his ceiling is probably Shawn Marion. Andrew Wiggins' ceiling is Paul George / Tracy McGrady and Joel Embiid's ceiling is Hakeem Olajuwon.
The Spurs already have a French SF like that stashed away.
The first pick is bad value anyway... There's an aura surrounding it that's irrational... Would be much better value to trade for lower picks...
Last year Jrue Holyday netted the Sixers the 6th pick + a 2015 first rounder... Kawhi is probably worth a bit more, so Id say he could get us a top 5 pick... The Jazz has 5 and 23 and are a friendly FO...
The problem is the worst teams need great talent, it's better for them to swing and miss than to settle for a confirmed 3rd banana most of the time if they can afford it... Not sure Cleveland can afford to go back to the lottery tho, they're in the same situation as Charlotte or Washington were not long ago.
That all depends Duncan, Robinson, Shaq, LeBron, Anthony Davis, Irving, Griffin, Howard, ect,,,,LMAO,,,,research is your friend,,,,
True. I'd rather miss on a big man.
Livio Jean Charles. is 6'9 with a 7'3 wing span. Maybe the Spur could see him as a power forward in the NBA.
Damien Inglish is a big small forward similar to Leonard.
-Has terrific physical attributes for the wing at 6-7, with a very mature and strong frame, long arms and excellent athleticism
-Tremendous potential defensively. Has the wingspan, frame, intensity level, lateral quickness and instincts to stay in front of virtually any player. Guarded every position in the games we saw
-Playmaker on defense who racks up blocks, steals and rebounds with regularity
-Excellent feel for the game. Reads the defense. Very good court vision. Unselfish. Makes the extra pass
-Can play some pick and roll and find the open man
-Drives both left or right
-Very difficult to stop driving down the lane at the junior level as he's just too strong to stay in front of
-Very effective in transition. Unselfish enough to pass ahead but also strong enough to take the ball himself and score
-Can make an open 3-pointer (averaged one made 3-pointer per game at the NIJT, and also in French league)
-Has a bit of a post game. Looks for contact on his finishes
From DraftExpress.comhttp://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz33GGbn6VE
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My logic in the hypothetical was that if the Cavs were looking to stick it out with Irving (who may well leave) Waiters (who has had his share of problems) and Thompson, then they'd lively need a small forward (which they had hoped Deng would be an long term answer to). Leonard has been hyped up as an top talent that is just waiting to break out once Duncan and or Manu retires.
I think that if the Cavs were offered Leonard, they'd at least consider it. I've heard that there are concerns about his back and that recent high lottery big men that have struggled with injuries (Oden, Griffin, & Noel all missed their rookie year)have put extra scrutiny on their decision. Not to mention the the Bennett fiasco and firing Brown twice in 3 years along with their GM leading to uncertainty with their front office.
I hadn't though about a much bigger deal including Green, Splitter Leonard + 1st rounders for Varejao and Bennett their #1 pick. I would do that deal. They get prospects, an establish big man and two very good wings in their early to mid 20's. We get a top prospect and two player who wouldn't tie up our cap for more than couple of years.
I think given their recent track record drafting they may opt to forgo another risk and take a more established player who they have a better idea of what he can be.
It's hard to win on talent alone. Ask OKC about that. You need established, top-notch vets. Eventually, a team has to acquire the right type of supporting cast, and that rarely comes through drafting at the top of the first. Leonard would probably be their second-best player. Splitter would be third or fourth, and Green would be fifth or sixth. Their starting unit finally becomes well-rounded and versatile. They'd lose Bennett, who doesn't even figure into their long-term plans (they may not even pick up his option, though I think they will) and Varejao, who in my opinion represents their third-biggest waste of value in the post-Lebron era after taking Bennett and failing to trade Hickson in a timely manner.
I don't think the upside of the first pick is really all that great. Even if they draft a player who ends up being like DeMarcus Cousins (who's becoming a damned fine center, and whose success Embiid would be very fortunate in emulating), it still puts them farther back than it would if they acquired Green, Leonard and Splitter while reserving Waiters and future picks to do more deals.
Marc Gasol might be the only somewhat realistic option but even that is a long shot. I think he signs an extension with MEM next year after they sign Pau Gasol to play alongside with him this summer.
First off, Embiid is going to be a bust. Saw him play at Kansas and he's completed overrated. He can't jump, has no post moves, and has a very thin frame. Add all that to the fact that he's only played basketball for a few years, and has no killer mindset whatsoever, and you have the very definition of a 'project big man'. Second, the trade wouldn't involve Leonard in any capacity. If were trading anyone, it would be Tony Parker, who has just a year left on his deal and would likely re-sign with the team we traded him to if they were willing to give up the #1 pick for him in the first place. Kyrie Irving is more of a 2 guard anyways. THe trade would make sense. But if it ever happened we would be drafting Andrew Freaking Wiggins. Not Joel Embiid.
These guys are high prospects but they're raw, the Cavs don't have anything in a coaching staff to develop these players. Cavs will screw these guys up in some way.
LeBron will go back to Cleveland before that even has a chance to be joked about in the front office of the teams involved.
Obviously assuming his physical doesn't have a complete red flag like Oden (THREE injuries that worried doctors). Bigs are inherently riskier because of their freak size. We've been incredibly lucky with Tim. Even guys like Shaq struggled through parts of their careers.
The Spurs are a systems team. Unless they decide to move away from Pop, they aren't going to change their current core to get a No 1 pick anytime soon. The way the current core plays - high Basketball IQ, Corporate Knowledge, deep knowledge of various play systems, play calls, etc - the only way for the Spurs to compete in a hypothetical Duncan/Ginobili retirement this season end or next (most likely) is to get a like for like replacement. THey won't get a replacement for Ginobili. He is too unique a player. But in Marc Gasol, they might someone who could approximate what Duncan (at 38/39) gives them. And they will be good to go for another couple of years before Parker/Pop ride into the sunset.
All this talk of trading Leonard is stupid. He will be the cornerstone of the Spurs squad for years to come. They are much too invested in him to let him go for a prospect even as good as Wiggins/ Embiid/Jabari. If it was Anthony Davis though, maybe they would thought about it.
^ Pop traded his favorite player because he didnt think he was worth paying...
I wouldnt trade Kawhi or Green, for no reason.
I rather get a big like Love and lose Tiago, picks and maybe another player like CoJo.
no.
3 years in our system and his freakish body type would warrant. their #1 and #2.
....or 1 this year and 1 next year.
Hey, guys...can we finish THIS season first?
Sure trade Parker for the pick.
It's all academic if Tim returns next season, but if he rings this year I don't think this is an unreasonable convo to start talking about now. If Tim does leave, the next convo is with Parker re his wishes. He's meant so much to the team that he deserves that at least.
In addition, if I'm Holt seeing the recent purchase prices for teams (low end Bucks 550m/high end Clips 2b), I can't help but start thinking about an exist plan over the next 2 years. One way to do that is to gut the team and acquire picks to start clearing the balance sheets. We may not like it, but it's going to be a consideration of management once Tim hangs it up.
The Gasol family lives in Memphis and Marc went to high school there. If he has the option to stay, he'll stay.
No. There is nothing remotely like that situation with this one. Oden was known to be a HUGE injury risk. They were knowingly rolling the dice with him (because, o, the draft wasn't nearly as deep that year and no one saw Durant becoming an unstoppable offensive weapon). Embiid has never had a career of sustained, long-term, impactful injuries. He's been completely free of them for the most part, actually.
Terrible take. Do you actually watch the guy play or just knee-jerk when people say something good about non-Spurs players?
Look at this workout video and tell me his movement, agility, and feel for the game doesn't remind you of Hakeem:
I mean, damn. That is ing impressive regardless of who's guarding him.
I agree. i see some Dream in his game. Not to mention he is apparently several inches taller and more athletic. There is a video of Hakeem working with Amare and some of those moves are similar to Embiids.
In the new NBA, you want as many Kawhi's and Andrew Wiggans as possible. You have no need for Roy Hibbert, Joel Embiid types.
Bertans - Leonard - Livio - Daye - Diaw
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