That Ibaka goaltend..

[Jimcs50]

Someone claimed that the call ended up being right because, even though the ball clearly hit the backboard before being swatted away, it hit the backboard below the rim, meaning that it wasn't a goaltend.

I have never heard that interpretation.

Does anyone on here know for sure what the rule is?

the ball was going upward, it had great chance to go in basket, it was goal tend. Missed call that could have cost Spurs game

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

It looks to me like Durant jumped into Duncan, albeit slightly.

Still, the follow-through by Durant with his right hand (that taps Duncan's right wrist, causing him to lose the ball) is where I would expect the foul call. Verticality doesn't allow you to swipe down, even a little.

This is a foul. Called Ibaka for a foul in OT for the same exact thing. You can't put your arms in front of you when defending a shot. If you do and it hits the other players arm, its a foul. You have to be perfectly vertical going up. If Durant did this, Duncan would have gotten his shot off and probably scored.

Horrible non call. Refs kinda of made of for all the BS calls at the end with not calling one on Duncan for extending his leg out on that screen.

[baseline bum]

nevermind

[baseline bum]

lol I was dropping F bombs so loud I think all my neighbors heard it. I was on an emotional roller coaster and Manu's 3 to lead the Spurs by 1 with twenty-sum seconds left still had me scared. It wasn't until Diaw's free-throws when I finally calmed down.

I didn't calm down until Westbrook's shot with 7 seconds left

[RandomGuy]

Whomever told you that is wrong. If it hits the back board as in this situation, it's a goaltend.

Section I-A Player Shall Not:
a. Touch the ball or the basket ring when the ball is using the basket ring as its lower base.
EXCEPTION: If a player near his own basket has his hand legally in contact with the ball, it is not a violation if his contact with the ball continues after the ball enters the cylinder, or if, in such action, he touches the basket.
b. Touch the ball when it is above the basket ring and within the imaginary cylinder.
c. For goaltending to occur, the ball, in the judgment of the official, must have a chance to score.
d. During a field goal attempt, touch a ball after it has touched any part of the backboard above ring level, whether the ball is considered on its upward or downward flight.
e. During a field goal attempt, touch a ball after it has touched the backboard below the ring level and while the ball is on its upward flight.

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_11...av=ArticleList

(eyup, that would seem to be right, just adding support and a link)

[spurs10]

Any complaining about Duncan's moving screen on Fisher did not watch the last two OKC possessions. He threw multiple fullback blocks trying to free kd.

Or any plays preceding it.

[RandomGuy]

Someone claimed that the call ended up being right because, even though the ball clearly hit the backboard before being swatted away, it hit the backboard below the rim, meaning that it wasn't a goaltend.

I have never heard that interpretation.

Does anyone on here know for sure what the rule is?

see previous.

[look_at_g_shred]

Man I though for sure that was going to be another heartbreaking play to add to the list of many...

[J_Paco]

it kind of can look that westbrook blocked the shot

refs were fine yesterday, to my surprise

Yes, from a certain angle it did look like a possible block by Westbrook. But it wasn't, so the refs should have (ruled it a goaltend) reviewed it and made the correct call.

And the 4th quarter was far from evenly called, my friend. The Spurs were in the penalty with more than 9 minutes remaining. How is that even possible?

[J_Paco]

FIFY

Shut the up. Parker has never benefitted from that tactic as much as Westbrook, Durant and their former teammate Harden. And when Parker does go to that strategy he usual falls down in a heap (ala Dwyane Wade) and most times still doesn't get the call.

Go back to rooting for Beno and Rasho...........

Ignoring Duncan's left hand, then?

Durant's arms were never straight up, so the verticality rule doesn't apply. Tim also made contact with his face after the foul was committed, so it's kind like how Timmy got kick in the nuts and was still called for the foul on a - surprise, surprise - Westbrook drive.

[Chinook]

Shut the up. Parker has never benefitted from that tactic as much as Westbrook, Durant and their former teammate Harden. And when Parker does go to that strategy he usual falls down in a heap (ala Dwyane Wade) and most times still doesn't get the call.

Go back to rooting for Beno and Rasho...........



Durant's arms were never straight up, so the verticality rule doesn't apply. Tim also made contact with his face after the foul was committed, so it's kind like how Timmy got kick in the nuts and was still called for the foul on a - surprise, surprise - Westbrook drive.

Yes, Durant went straight up. His arms bent forward after Duncan ran into him, which doesn't invalidate verticality if the bending isn't intentional. Now, did Durant slap his hand down at the very end? Maybe. But Duncan had long since hit Durant in the face before that.

[lurker23]

Yes, Durant went straight up. His arms bent forward after Duncan ran into him, which doesn't invalidate verticality if the bending isn't intentional. Now, did Durant slap his hand down at the very end? Maybe. But Duncan had long since hit Durant in the face before that.

I think both guys committed a foul there, Duncan with his off arm, and Durant with bringing both arms down from vertical. I agree with you that he did a better job of staying vertical than most, but the left arm comes down quite a bit and hits Duncan's elbow (though the contact isn't 100% definitive in the video), then his right hand (barely but noticeably) comes down from vertical to slap Tim's wrist.

The goaltend was a clear blown call, and I'm so glad that didn't end up costing the Spurs the game. They need to change that rule to allow a review of goaltending in all situations under 2 minutes to play.

[Beaverfuzz]

NO. YOU go re-read, if you can.

I said "someone claimed that.." Then I said "I have never heard that.." Then I said "Does anyone here know for sure what the rule is"?

YOU interpreted my statements, incredibly, to be an acceptance of the claim, which to most literate people, it clearly was not.

Since you weren't sure of the rule, you are initially claiming that "someone" else's assertion is correct...otherwise you wouldn't be asking.

Never took a Philosophy class did you?

[EVAY]

Since you weren't sure of the rule, you are initially claiming that "someone" else's assertion is correct...otherwise you wouldn't be asking.

Never took a Philosophy class did you?

Here is a suggestion for you: when in a hole, stop digging. I have Ph.D.

[J_Paco]

Yes, Durant went straight up. His arms bent forward after Duncan ran into him, which doesn't invalidate verticality if the bending isn't intentional. Now, did Durant slap his hand down at the very end? Maybe. But Duncan had long since hit Durant in the face before that.

From looking at the gif, you can plainly see that Durant has both arms up but at a slight angle (out in front of his head). I've seen Splitter and Bonner do a much better job of arms being "straight up," but they still get hit with the foul. One of many terrible missed calls by the refs, IMO.

Also, Duncan's "offensive foul" was committed after the initial contact on Duncan's arm by Durant. The referees just royally messed up quite a few calls at the end of regulation, but thankfully the team was able to overcome them.

[Chinook]

From looking at the gif, you can plainly see that Durant has both arms up but at a slight angle. They aren't parallel to one another or beside his head. I've seen Splitter and Bonner do a much better job of arms being "straight up," but they still get hit with the foul.

I don't really care to use the, "No fair! It didn't go our way that one time, " defense. I'm not defending the competence of the officials. I disagree with calls all the time. But I thought the no-call was the right way to go, especially in real time.

[J_Paco]

I don't really care to use the, "No fair! It didn't go our way that one time, " defense. I'm not defending the competence of the officials. I disagree with calls all the time. But I thought the no-call was the right way to go, especially in real time.

I highly doubt that had it been the other way around that a no-call would be the result. Like I said though the outcome went the right way in the end.

Side-note: Durant must be nearly 7 feet tall because he appears every bit as tall as Duncan in that gif.

[Prose]

2 horrible game changing calls at the end. Foul on Duncan and goltending. I can see how refs want the player to decide the out come like when Duncan set the moving screen, but what drives me crazy is the inconsistency!!!! Westbrook gets a 3 point foul vs the clippers for the slightest touch....Duncan gets slapped so.obviously but no call....no consistency!!!! That's why people think its rigged for NBA to force a game 7. What ever spurs slaied their demonds in okc playing 5 v 8!!!!

[Prose]

Refs played hard

[Prose]

I didn't calm down until Westbrook's shot with 7 seconds left

I once watched the world cup with Portuguese people and was amazing at the amount of cursing I heard from even their grandmother...I have found my self to be exactly like them when seeing some of these calls refkc got.

[Malice]

I didn't calm down until Westbrook's shot with 7 seconds left

Life imitating art lol!

[thiste]

And what about that obvious clear path by Fisher on Ginobili that was called as a normal foul ? Or even that time when Westbrook went kung fu fighting right into Tim's groin? Who's gonna talk about those?

[Aztecfan03]

Since you weren't sure of the rule, you are initially claiming that "someone" else's assertion is correct...otherwise you wouldn't be asking.

Never took a Philosophy class did you?

If he was claiming it was correct there would be no need to ask.

[davidbowie]

I didn't calm down until Westbrook's shot with 7 seconds left

my god....hahahahaa

[ezau]

Only if the ball is on the way up, which it was.

Yes, you are correct.