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Yeah if we win, everyone will remember game 6 not as a sob story but yet one of the most inspirational stories ever. To come back the very next year and finish the job against the same team who beat you is just, Perfect.
http://grantland.com/features/nba-fi...-6-heat-spurs/
"If the Spurs beat Miami, Allen’s 3 stops haunting them — and if that’s not enough, we’ll remember San Antonio as the greatest franchise of the post-Jordan era."
Last year no one really expected Spurs to have a chance, the team was happy to be there so very few had any real expectations. Most of us thought it was too good to be true if we did win, until game 6.
Game 6 scarred the entire organization since then. They showed amazing for ude to play a compe ive game 7 and came all the way back for redemption. You can feel the fire burning within Tim when he said "we will do it this time", and the huge contrast of Spurs demeanor winning last year's conference finals (happy/excited) and this year's (barely a smile).
I don't think I have ever seen Tim stating the result of a series before it started, I sure hope the only time he does this is the time he is right! Even as a fan, I am sure everyone wish we could turn back the clock and replay the 28 seconds, but since we can't do that this is as good as it gets, a fresh series with home court for revenge!
Win:
Everyone from the players to fans can forgive the basketball god for ripping the sweetest le out of our hands, everyone will be able to move on with their lives, the perfect ending to the GDP era. Duncan will gain clear separation between him and Kobe/Shaq, gets ranked top 5 all time on most all-time rankings, and live happily thereafter. The feel good story everyone will always cite regarding for ude, perseverance and team unity to be able to overcome the most devastating defeat in professional sports.
Lose:
Everyone will be haunted by game 6 for the rest of our lives and the inability to avenge it. A bitter ending to the GDP era even if they will always be champions in our hearts to make it to the big stage at the twilight of their careers. Proof that talent will always win in the end and friendship doesn't mean anything.
Also I truly believe the only thing that carried us this far is vengeance. Hatred, anger and agony are much stronger emotions than love and win or lose, I can't see us play with the same level of passion next year. Duncan's thirst for a fifth le is what drives him, I think the satisfaction from winning it or agony from losing a second year in a row will finally slow him down a little and he will ride into the sunset shortly after.
Last edited by hitmantb; 06-04-2014 at 01:26 PM.
Yeah if we win, everyone will remember game 6 not as a sob story but yet one of the most inspirational stories ever. To come back the very next year and finish the job against the same team who beat you is just, Perfect.
If you're referring to the national media and casual fans, Duncan will never be regarded higher than Shaq/Kobe, tbh..
Most "new-age" writers(Zach Lowe, etc) already consider Duncan in high regard, as do hardcore fans, because they use quantifiable/advanced metrics and logic when ranking players..on the Internet and with the new breed of NBA writers(along with Bill Simmons), Duncan is already regarded as a better player than Kobe/Shaq and anybody else of his era..
However, with the casual fan and the "old" media(Wilbon, Kornheiser, any old writer, most people in national NBA media), Duncan will never be regarded as better than those players, even if he wins 6 les IMO..
He just doesn't have the appeal, due to his off-court dullness, along with playing in San Antonio..
Actually if you run a Google search for greatest players of all time, Duncan is ahead of Shaq/Kobe on most lists.
Only Kobe points to rings without realizing by that logic, Pippen should be ranked ahead of him.
Once you get a couple of rings the # of MVP and FMVP's is just as important. I feel Duncan can be ranked ahead of Bird by most analysts if he wins FMVP this year.
https://www.google.com/search?q=grea...st+nba+players
Of course I don't think Kobe should be ahead..as I've been saying for years, as advanced metrics continue to gain prominence, Kobe's legacy will continue to take a hit, as he's one of the only "legends" that possesses advanced metrics that don't translate to the perception of his greatness..
His only argument is blindly looking at rings..
However, I disagree that most national lists would have Duncan ahead of him..if you listen to most national media coverage, Kobe is regarded ahead, and probably always will be..just yesterday, I was watching PTI, and they said that Duncan isn't even in the same breath as Kobe or Magic, even if he wins 5(which is obviously a ludicrous statement)..
Gotta agree with you. Mainstream journalists puff players who give them good stories and quotes.
Also, 2-way players are very underrated in the national media..
It has never made sense to me how players like Kobe, Magic and Bird are so highly-regarded when they had limited defensive impact on a game, while players like Duncan and Hakeem aren't recognized for their 2-way dominance IMO..
It's all media hype..even Kevin Garnett, one of the 5 best defensive players of all-time, didn't receive recognition for his defensive dominance until he joined the Celtics, one of the most beloved franchises in basketball..
It's all about where you play and your hype, tbh..
If you look at a player's wiki page, the first three categories are rings, FMVP's, and MVP's. Adding up MVP + FMVP and use rings as tie breaker is the most unbiased way to determine the ranking of all time great's.
Kobe clearly has the least # of individual awards than everyone on top 10. Only 1 MVP and 2 FMVP's. I don't think he stays on top 10 once it sinks in a bit more. Obviously everyone can have their opinions on talk shows, but if you Google around very few written lists from reputable sites/blogs have Kobe ahead of Duncan after what Duncan did last two years.
Magic ahead of Duncan is completely understandable, 5 rings, 3 FMVP, 3 MVP, even if Duncan wins FMVP this year it is a tie at best. Of course magic played with better supporting cast but in a few decades people will only remember achievements, not how they got them.
Duncan has an excellent chance of beating Bird on rankings if he wins FMVP this year. Bird has 3 rings, 2 FMVP, 3 MVPs, with a stacked to the max roster. Jordan (6 les, 5 MVP 6 FMVP) and Kareem (6 les, 6 MVP, 2 FMVP) are pretty much untouchable.
Last edited by hitmantb; 06-04-2014 at 02:16 PM.
A championship does make up for last year because, quite frankly, they probably don't make the finals this year had they won it last June.
Who said he isn't in the same breath? Was it Kornheiser or Wilbon? Or one of those random morons they sometimes have fill in like Bomani Jones? I don't see Wilbon or Kornheiser saying that unless they're only talking about scoring or marketability.Of course I don't think Kobe should be ahead..as I've been saying for years, as advanced metrics continue to gain prominence, Kobe's legacy will continue to take a hit, as he's one of the only "legends" that possesses advanced metrics that don't translate to the perception of his greatness..
His only argument is blindly looking at rings
However, I disagree that most national lists would have Duncan ahead of him..if you listen to most national media coverage, Kobe is regarded ahead, and probably always will be..just yesterday, I was watching PTI, and they said that Duncan isn't even in the same breath as Kobe or Magic, even if he wins 5(which is obviously a ludicrous statement)..
Bomani is actually not a sheep, tbh..he actually hates on Kobe all the time
It was both Wilbon and Kornheiser..Kornheiser said that Duncan would join Kobe/Magic on the list of 5 rings, but "he isn't either of those guys" and Wilbon agreed..Kornheiser even said Duncan can't catch Bird, but Wilbon said that a lot of people would consider Duncan ahead of Bird(which should already be a consensus, as Bird is pretty overrated)..
Bull
At least I hope not because losing this one would suck then. Heat in 5 with a hurt Parkern
That's pathetic then. Those guys have sold out to public perception I guess. The type of media who never dares pick against popular opinion even when popular opinion is wrong.Bomani is actually not a sheep, tbh..he actually hates on Kobe all the time
It was both Wilbon and Kornheiser..Kornheiser said that Duncan would join Kobe/Magic on the list of 5 rings, but "he isn't either of those guys" and Wilbon agreed..Kornheiser even said Duncan can't catch Bird, but Wilbon said that a lot of people would consider Duncan ahead of Bird(which should already be a consensus, as Bird is pretty overrated)..
I think you guys are taking it out of context.
http://www.ocregister.com/lakers/bry...ornheiser.html
"Wilbon added San Antonio's Tim Duncan to that list, to which Kornheiser said such talk wasn't in Duncan's makeup."
I think what they meant is Duncan is not the type to call out a teammate in public or humiliate them in locker room. I highly doubt they consider Duncan out of Kobe's league.
On most lists Duncan is either slightly ahead or slightly behind Kobe, if he gets another ring then 3 FMVP 2 MVP is clearly better than 2 FMVP 1 MVP, it is no longer disputable. Same reason most lists rank Duncan slightly ahead of Shaq (4 rings each, Shaq has 1 less MVP).
Last edited by hitmantb; 06-04-2014 at 02:42 PM.
No.
1999 always was and is the one with the most stakes. Once you win one, you're a champion forever.
spurs can win/lose this series and not much changes really regarding post Jordan dynasty, imo
I never thought I would ever agree with you on anything, but on this issue I completely agree!
'99 was the end all, the first, and no championship will ever be quite like that one. The whole city came alive then like it hasn't ever since, and the celebration was unbelievable even stopping traffic on the major expressways downtown as fans got out and celebrated.
The lead up to it was incredible, practically every building, every car, and every person had something Spurs related on it and them. That hasn't happened like that since.
The Spurs are already the benchmark for success in the NBA.
too storybook for the nba not to let happen
Agree.
never looked at it that way but damn good point
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