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Speaking of ing over: http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=11059020Imagine what his legacy would have been if he didn't over the ty Nets.... Kirby would REALLY be forgotten as the role player he truly is, tbh....
Shhhhh!
Of just those drafts:
1984 (by far)
2003
1995
1997 even though Duncan is better than any of the individual players in the 1995 draft.
Speaking of ing over: http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=11059020
Shhhhh!
Are you stoopid? Who talking bout 1995? -10 points son.
What a dumbass.
I'm back stateside now son. I get to see Jim choke away another Finals live and in living color. If he loses back to back Finals, there will be to pay s
Nah, Timmy has only added to his legacy by making back-to-back Finals at 37/38.I'm back stateside now son. I get to see Jim choke away another Finals live and in living color. If he loses back to back Finals, there will be to pay s
Meanwhile, you'll get to see Kirby at that age demand the ball in the post and lead the Lakers into the lottery.
Yes, I do. We had size, speed, quickness, skill, and chemistry. The size alone would put us over the top. Difference with our bigs? Unlike Hibbert, Pau, Bynum, and Odom were skilled two way players.I'm curious, do any Lakerfans seriously think the 2008 Lakers would stand a chance against the '14 Heat or '14 Spurs
Please. Who is gonna think twice about the repeat champions of being the last to lose?
Carmelo
Even Darko Millicic has a ring
The same Celtics team that beat those Lakers by 39 were pushed to 7 by Lebron's Cavs, whose 2nd best player was Delonte West
Speed and Quickness? Derek Fisher, Lamar Odom, Vlad Rad, Sasha, Gasol aren't exactly athletic. Then you have them running the triangle, an antiquated system that would suffer under today's defensive sophistication.
The triangle is all about slowing the game down and running sets, mainly off the post. It would get swarmed to death today. It's no wonder Kobe's TOs have gone up dramatically. He still thinks him in the post "doin' work" is still a championship formula.Slow play is death. "NBA defenses are so sophisticated now. You don't want to give them a chance to get fully established. When we played Miami in the Finals, we knew that if we called any plays we were doomed. We had to play faster than that. Popovich really pioneered a lot of that. There is a pendulum on a lot of these things, but I really don't see faster offense going away."
- Rick Carlisle
The Lakers have beaten many "fastbreak" teams by rebounding and pounding their light asses down low.The same Celtics team that beat those Lakers by 39 were pushed to 7 by Lebron's Cavs, whose 2nd best player was Delonte West
Speed and Quickness? Derek Fisher, Lamar Odom, Vlad Rad, Sasha, Gasol aren't exactly athletic. Then you have them running the triangle, an antiquated system that would suffer under today's defensive sophistication.
The triangle is all about slowing the game down and running sets, mainly off the post. It would get swarmed to death today. It's no wonder Kobe's TOs have gone up dramatically. He still thinks him in the post "doin' work" is still a championship formula.
Not sure why you're sneaking the 2008 Cs into the thread, but since you did, let me remind the board that LeHype never beat their Big 3 as a Cav. At least Kobe did in 2010, without colluding.
i know you rooting for Lebron, bean3rs are such frontrunners and bandwagoners. I don't hate you for it, it's in your DNA as much as ty music, being a drug mule etc....I'm back stateside now son. I get to see Jim choke away another Finals live and in living color. If he loses back to back Finals, there will be to pay s
Constant movement in the half court via the pick-and-roll, player movement, and floor spacing to open up driving lanes off the pick-and-roll is the hallmark of any great offense these days. And you need speedy personnel to run it optimally. Rather than guards and wings playing off bigs, bigs now play off what the guards and wings create. Forcefeeding any player in the post, no matter how dominant he is, is a recipe for disaster now. You can't even surround a post player with shooters to relieve congestion and protect against double teams. Perimeter defenders are too athletic and long these days and can close out on shooters faster than ever before. You have to move perimeter defenses side-to-side with ball and player movement, try to spread them out and hope they're late on their rotations. That's why none of Phil Jackson's assistants get jobs as head coaches
Sadly for Kobe, he's too old and banged up to evolve with the times. His only weapon is the post, and you can't build an offense around him in Triangle style sets anymore. Best thing for him to do is turn into a spot shooter, like Ray Allen.
must've got done roofing. congrats on experiencing running water.
Excellent post. I agree completely.
Constant movement in the half court via the pick-and-roll, player movement, and floor spacing to open up driving lanes off the pick-and-roll is the hallmark of any great offense these days. And you need speedy personnel to run it optimally. Rather than guards and wings playing off bigs, bigs now play off what the guards and wings create. Forcefeeding any player in the post, no matter how dominant he is, is a recipe for disaster now. You can't even surround a post player with shooters to relieve congestion and protect against double teams. Perimeter defenders are too athletic and long these days and can close out on shooters faster than ever before. You have to move perimeter defenses side-to-side with ball and player movement, try to spread them out and hope they're late on their rotations. That's why none of Phil Jackson's assistants get jobs as head coaches
Sadly for Kobe, he's too old and banged up to evolve with the times. His only weapon is the post, and you can't build an offense around him in Triangle style sets anymore. Best thing for him to do is turn into a spot shooter, like Ray Allen.
More on that point:
Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba...#ixzz34DT5CTbuTwo months after that Finals defeat, Heat coach Erik Spoelstra was standing on the sideline watching an Oregon football practice. The NBA was in a lockout, so he made the most of his forced free time by touring the country to learn from his fellow coaches, regardless of the sport. Spoelstra and Ducks coach Chip Kelly spent several hours talking about the principles of speed, explosiveness and unpredictability on which Oregon's spread offense was based, and Spoelstra began to see how a similar approach could be adapted to his team.
"Pace and space" became his mantra. After the lockout ended, the Heat signed free-agent wing Shane Battier, a resourceful defender and 38.5% three-point shooter, then brought in alltime three-point leader Ray Allen the following year. The big centers were gone or mostly benched, and the offense has flourished ever since, especially in this postseason. Miami averaged 115.9 points per 100 possessions in the first three rounds of the playoffs, which would be the highest offensive rating ever in a regular season.
If there is still any belief that Spoelstra is just a caretaker of talent, his reinvention of a Heat offense that now makes full use of James's versatility should put that to rest. LeBron is both a low-post scorer and a high-post passer, a floor spacer and a pick-and-roll prac ioner, a primary creator and a potent decoy. His credibility in each of those roles -- as facilitated by floor-spacing three-point shooters, and Wade's corresponding flexibility -- has allowed Spoelstra to create a more appropriately dynamic system. Miami's attack isn't turbocharged; it ranked 27th in pace during the regular season. The Heat's success lies in their half-court game in which the floor is spread, the cuts are precise and the ball moves crisply among players attuned to one another.
I don't disagree, other than Kobe. Sure he's deadly in the post, but his jumper is going nowhere. If he plays the Ray Allen role so be it.
Constant movement in the half court via the pick-and-roll, player movement, and floor spacing to open up driving lanes off the pick-and-roll is the hallmark of any great offense these days. And you need speedy personnel to run it optimally. Rather than guards and wings playing off bigs, bigs now play off what the guards and wings create. Forcefeeding any player in the post, no matter how dominant he is, is a recipe for disaster now. You can't even surround a post player with shooters to relieve congestion and protect against double teams. Perimeter defenders are too athletic and long these days and can close out on shooters faster than ever before. You have to move perimeter defenses side-to-side with ball and player movement, try to spread them out and hope they're late on their rotations. That's why none of Phil Jackson's assistants get jobs as head coaches
Sadly for Kobe, he's too old and banged up to evolve with the times. His only weapon is the post, and you can't build an offense around him in Triangle style sets anymore. Best thing for him to do is turn into a spot shooter, like Ray Allen.
Classhmust've got done roofing. congrats on experiencing running water.
They are a defensive team that turns you over then are off to the races on the other end. They do that - defense setting up easy transition buckets - more often than not. Hence me calling them a fastbreak team. It's their MO.More on that point:
Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba...#ixzz34DT5CTbu
But their offense isn't built around the fastbreak. It's just a result of their defense.
I ain't trying to hate. The Spurs won 4 les with post play, but because post play has been so successful in the 00's, teams have had plenty of time to counter it and realized speed and length used to harass passing lanes are the best weapons. It's just not as simple as "No one can stop Shaq in the post, give us the le" anymore. A team running the Triangle would be far too stagnant. The '04 Pistons were something of a prototype for modern defenses, with their swarming and lightning fast closeouts on shooters, and even though Shaq went off, the overall Lakers offense stalled.
Last edited by midnightpulp; 06-10-2014 at 02:23 AM.
kobe was never a great shooter beyond the arc. if anything he'd be deadly in a richard hamilton role
Oh shut the up . It was like 1 am and one key over. Get over it limp .Are you stoopid? Who talking bout 1995? -10 points son.
What a dumbass.
Are you stoopid? Who talking bout 1995? -10 points son.
What a dumbass.
BnrFan still cracks me up despite his ty choice of favorite team
He fathered a baby girl calf with this cow and is neglecting his responsibilities. They'll get his Punkass soon enough. SMDH
MJ moose rape: 1
Kobe: 0
WTF? Tim gave the team rebounding, assists, and great defense. Even when he was playing iso in the post, he would draw double and triple teams and find the open man. He was never a selfish, 30+ shots/game player. Even at his peak, he was known as a team player and sacrificed individual stats for the betterment of the team. He has always helped his team more than Kobe - and pretty much everyone else, for that matter.
the 1996 draft was pretty weird, a boatload of team cancers and a lone star shining in the dark in ray allen...
Kobe scored 81 in a game... no roleplayers would ever do that. Never got the Kobe hate here tbh... he's a great player, an all-time great SG that'll be a first-ballot HOFer.
Anyway the order in my opinion is:
1984, 2003, 1996, 1997
Jordan still the GOAT until LeBron gets 7 and looks like he brought his team most of the rings (Ray Allen won him it last year tbh).
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