Cavs: Calling out all LeBron nut huggers, the jig is up.

[Koolaid_Man]

Lebron didn't need anyone in their prime to win his championships, but his teammates tremendous value are overlooked.

I guess that's why he decided to stay in Cleveland after all.

[lakaluva's wallet]

I guess that's why he decided to stay in Cleveland after all.

lol

[spurraider21]

You can't answer why LeBron couldn't win with a prime Wade can you?

so he didn't win with prime wade, and yet he's won 2 without prime wade. what are we supposed to make of this?

[spurraider21]

Taylor finally using his Philo-ing for good

not really, i'm a bit more neutral on lebron than most here. i'm not hanging by his jockstrap like you, but i'm not dumb enough to make claims about how "he's not that great." it depends on who i'm talking to. my friends who are mostly kobe fans think i'm on lebron's nuts because i assert that he's better than kirby , but just because i dont think he's established himself as goat, people like you think i'm an irrational hater

[lakaluva's wallet]

so he didn't win with prime wade, and yet he's won 2 without prime wade. what are we supposed to make of this?

By beating Durant who had no chance and getting bailed out by Allen because of his ty performance? Sounds right.

[spurraider21]

By beating Durant who had no chance

why did he have no chance? is it perhaps because he was up against LeBron? the only player in the league better than him

and getting bailed out by Allen because of his ty performance? Sounds right.

yeah, i've been back and forth with CN on this one. lebron's overall 4th quarter in that game was remarkable, he was a wrecking ball and willed the heat back. but he did choke pretty hard in the last 90 seconds or so. still, he was the best player over the duration of the series and was a monster in game 7.

[lakaluva's wallet]

why did he have no chance? is it perhaps because he was up against LeBron? the only player in the league better than him

No, Durant can easily be shut down by average sized two guards. He got bullied because he has no post game, and is too skinny. Then you had Harden choking. That team had no chance.

[spurraider21]

No, Durant can easily be shut down by average sized two guards. He got bullied because he has no post game, and is too skinny. Then you had Harden choking. That team had no chance.

actually, durant didn't get shut down... he was the leading scorer in the series and shot over 50% from the field. lebron's all around game thwarted it though... his scoring led his team but he also averaged 7 assists

[lakaluva's wallet]

actually, durant didn't get shut down... he was the leading scorer in the series and shot over 50% from the field. lebron's all around game thwarted it though... his scoring led his team but he also averaged 7 assists

Durant's shooting should have won at least 2 games. Him getting bullied on defense didn't help.

[spurraider21]

Durant's shooting should have won at least 2 games. Him getting bullied on defense didn't help.

so first you say Durant had no chance, now you say " should have won at least 2 games "

[lakaluva's wallet]

so first you say Durant had no chance, now you say " should have won at least 2 games "

Yes, he had no chance of winning the series. His shooting didn't win two games because he kept getting bullied on defense.

[~O~]

Pippen is one of the greatest 25 players of all time.

How many years did Pippen get to the finals without MJ?

You're point is what everyone should conclude about this entire feud. You can't do it without your teammates. So in a sense, everyone played a role and the most invisible role in the NBA is defense.

[spurraider21]

Yes, he had no chance of winning the series, dip .

alright so i've lost your train of thought. we are establishing that lebron won without prime wade, even though you've said he needed prime wade to win.

acknowledge

[lakaluva's wallet]

alright so i've lost your train of thought. we are establishing that lebron won without prime wade, even though you've said he needed prime wade to win.

acknowledge

I guess I should have broken it down for you. LeBron did not have a chance at a ring until he teamed up with a prime Wade. (See. the Boston ass whoopings). 2011 was a win for Miami. He gave it back. He couldn't beat Dirk, but easily beats Durant. Why is that? LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Chalmers, and Battier, in terms of PPG, outscored Durant, Westbrook, Harden, (Three stars) and Ibaka 87.8 PPG to 77. Then rebounds 29 to 21. They were simply outmatched just by those 5 guys. Rebounding and defense killed OKC, and that is why they had no chance. No one could rebound or play defense. They had no perimeter players like the Spurs have with Kawhi and the Mavs had with Marion and Stevenson to stop LeBron. Nor did they have any legit post threats. Easy win. LeBron struggles with defensive wings.

[spurraider21]

but you acknowledge that lebron has 2 rings without prime wade? if your answer is anything other than "yes" or "no" im not interested

[lakaluva's wallet]

but you acknowledge that lebron has 2 rings without prime wade? if your answer is anything other than "yes" or "no" im not interested

Nope.

[spurraider21]

stumped.

sometimes the best way to win an argument is just to ask really simple questions

[hater]

stupid thread

Bosh would start on 95% of NBA team. Same thing with Wade

[ImDaNuts]

Pippen should of made it to the NBA Finals with the Jailblazers too tbh

reaching the playoffs 16 straight years (11 with Chicago, 1 with Houston, 4 with Portland), and he still leads the NBA in career playoff steals, with 395.

[Clipper Nation]

stumped.

sometimes the best way to win an argument is just to ask really simple questions

To be fair, the guy has zero original takes.... once he runs out of 2011 Skip Bayless talking points to parrot, he's got nothing left

[spurraider21]

To be fair, the guy has zero original takes.... once he runs out of 2011 Skip Bayless talking points to parrot, he's got nothing left

well, to be fair your only takes are:
-legoat
-MJ = DK
-Kirby
-choke paul