Lakers: If The Lakers Hire Anyone But Jeff Van Gundy - I'm Done With Them

[ambchang]

Getting called out because the motivation was so ridiculously clear but not having the guts to even acknowledge.

Then go off on KB81, which by all measures is a reasonable fan, the first chance you got to further try to legitimize your spineless views.

Then proclaim that you are right and everybody else is wrong.

The under lying reason is, you are in a no win situation, and you know it. You have set up Kobe as an infallible figure over the years using absolutely twisted arguments, but now those arguments won't even hold up. Lebron has already surpassed Kobe, so has Duncan, and no matter who wins this year, the separation is only going to be bigger.

So you come in and try to back peddle, feigning to be some kind of Laker fan who is fed up with the losing of the team.

All in all, you think that people will be boiled up about you refusing to eat your crow because of your spineless behaviour, when the truth is nobody cares about what you think all along.

What a fail of a human being.

[Killakobe81]

Getting called out because the motivation was so ridiculously clear but not having the guts to even acknowledge.

Then go off on KB81, which by all measures is a reasonable fan, the first chance you got to further try to legitimize your spineless views.

Then proclaim that you are right and everybody else is wrong.

The under lying reason is, you are in a no win situation, and you know it. You have set up Kobe as an infallible figure over the years using absolutely twisted arguments, but now those arguments won't even hold up. Lebron has already surpassed Kobe, so has Duncan, and no matter who wins this year, the separation is only going to be bigger.

So you come in and try to back peddle, feigning to be some kind of Laker fan who is fed up with the losing of the team.

All in all, you think that people will be boiled up about you refusing to eat your crow because of your spineless behaviour, when the truth is nobody cares about what you think all along.

What a fail of a human being.

I know we have been through this dance but I do not agree he has already surpassed Kobe, to me it's still close. But I will admit if Duncan rangs #5 (whether Finals MVP or not) I would have to concede that Duncan is better. I do not think it's as clear cut as some have said whether he rings or not. But with 5 rings plus the 3 fiinals MVP's I would have to give Duncan the nod. And then we wont have to have any debates unless it is to argue how "close" it is which I still maintain.

But would be silly for me to argue that today with Duncan a key piece of a team two games away from a le and Kobe the leader of a sinking ship. So please lets not go there today we can discuss after Timmy rings ...if he does.

Back to the Finals ... I expect great games from Duncan and Lebron tonight.

[unforeseen]

Classic weaselling technique.

You know what the team won't do (hire JVG), so you put out an ultimatum saying that you want the team to hire JVG. When the team doesn't, you quit on your team and go bandwagon another dominant team, such as the Heat and try to live vicariously through them.

[Koolaid_Man]

Amusing wrong at times but always amusing.

You're not gangsta playa. .still a simp try again.

[Koolaid_Man]

I know we have been through this dance but I do not agree he has already surpassed Kobe, to me it's still close. But I will admit if Duncan rangs #5 (whether Finals MVP or not) I would have to concede that Duncan is better. I do not think it's as clear cut as some have said whether he rings or not. But with 5 rings plus the 3 fiinals MVP's I would have to give Duncan the nod. And then we wont have to have any debates unless it is to argue how "close" it is which I still maintain.

But would be silly for me to argue that today with Duncan a key piece of a team two games away from a le and Kobe the leader of a sinking ship. So please lets not go there today we can discuss after Timmy rings ...if he does.

Back to the Finals ... I expect great games from Duncan and Lebron tonight.

Like I said you're nothing but mutha ing simp...Kobe been had 5 but now all of sudden Tammys better...grow a pair got.

[Killakobe81]

Like I said you're nothing but mutha ing simp...Kobe been had 5 but now all of sudden Tammys better...grow a pair got.

You sound like a freaking fanboi, I have PS4 so xbone sucks! Both Kobe LeBron Duncan are great players. I think Kobe has a slight edge on Tim tough to argue vs LeBron if he keeps ringing.

[Killakobe81]

Like I said you're nothing but mutha ing simp...Kobe been had 5 but now all of sudden Tammys better...grow a pair got.

So honestly you do not think it is close? If Tim has 5 rings, one less finals but the playoff record for double doubles how can you argue it's not at least close.
SO if it was close before and Timmy ties him in rings he will have a very strong case. Like I said to me it will always be close. Personally I favor Kobe but tough to argue facts.

[spurraider21]

So honestly you do not think it is close? If Tim has 5 rings, one less finals but the playoff record for double doubles how can you argue it's not at least close.
SO if it was close before and Timmy ties him in rings he will have a very strong case. Like I said to me it will always be close. Personally I favor Kobe but tough to argue facts.

at this point the argument is ring count + ppg + all star mvp's for team kirbs

[Koolaid_Man]

So honestly you do not think it is close? If Tim has 5 rings, one less finals but the playoff record for double doubles how can you argue it's not at least close.
SO if it was close before and Timmy ties him in rings he will have a very strong case. Like I said to me it will always be close. Personally I favor Kobe but tough to argue facts.

Look here mane...let me hip you to some real for a min....here's a fact for your ass....at no point in his career has Timmy been forced to show his athleticism and play straight up like a man....this here is a straight system playa who's played for the same coach his entire career and has never had the privilege of playing on a bad team....a lazy, unmotivated fat ass Shaq was his best compe ion. When Kobe had no help he showed just how ing amazing and talented he was whereas Duncan has always been hidden by the system....Duncan has moments but he's never had to really work for a gotdam thing... s were drafted and brought into the leauge for the sole purpose of handling the Kobe assignment.....Compare Kobe's compe ion night in and night out over the years and it's not even close why Kobe is better than the Shrek wannabe.....it's always easy to put up nice stats and when you don't have to work for that ...all you have to do is wait in the ing paint for the ball to be thrown to you....you don't have to create off the dribble or off the ball...just sit in the paint and kick it back out....a blind man can do that ....Duncan is not special.....in fact Hakeem said it best:

Well, the two guard is the toughest position, the most athletic position. The average two would be a superstar at the four or five position with the skill set. So, for someone to dominate at the most difficult, the hardest position, it’s just something else. Both what set Kobe and Michael apart was that they were too big for most 2’s, and too mobile for most 3’s, so they have the advantage over most everybody. Very, very seldom do you find a player that matches up with them. If they’re as tall, they don’t have the same athletic ability or skills. Of course, it’s not just about having those physical advantages. The confidence and desire about their ability that they have, you can’t teach. It’s just a gift.

http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/110129kobehakeem.html


Go learn something lil you not on my level....

[ambchang]

I know we have been through this dance but I do not agree he has already surpassed Kobe, to me it's still close. But I will admit if Duncan rangs #5 (whether Finals MVP or not) I would have to concede that Duncan is better. I do not think it's as clear cut as some have said whether he rings or not. But with 5 rings plus the 3 fiinals MVP's I would have to give Duncan the nod. And then we wont have to have any debates unless it is to argue how "close" it is which I still maintain.

But would be silly for me to argue that today with Duncan a key piece of a team two games away from a le and Kobe the leader of a sinking ship. So please lets not go there today we can discuss after Timmy rings ...if he does.

Back to the Finals ... I expect great games from Duncan and Lebron tonight.

You make absolutely no sense now and is grabbing at straws

Duncan and Kobe were close back in 2010 AFTER Kobe won back to back and Duncan just got cucked. The last few years have given them a much larger separation. Kobe's have nothing on Duncan except points, which is one of MANY stats and Duncan has him best in almost everything else.

[Killakobe81]

You make absolutely no sense now and is grabbing at straws

Duncan and Kobe were close back in 2010 AFTER Kobe won back to back and Duncan just got cucked. The last few years have given them a much larger separation. Kobe's have nothing on Duncan except points, which is one of MANY stats and Duncan has him best in almost everything else.

No argument on the matter like I said after 5 tough for me to make that case I only argue it's close. You disagree? Shocker ...But that us for another time. Still shocked Spurs blowing out the Kang at home ...impressive.
Maybe you just like to argue but you one game away from ending that debate. Yes some of you will argue that Duncan had already surpassed but in your heart of hearts you knew Tim needed this outside this forum to make that case. It's fine. This is a Spur moment ...Who cares how close me or someone else sees it? Can't you just savor the victory Amb?

[DMC]

Ceds pulling crab pots on a record haul ITT.

[Franklin]

^ hey DMC, if you ever retire from spurstalk I hope you can bequeath your account to me, it'll be a huge incentive for me to work hard at school, encouraging me to pursue a Doctorate's degree. And I'll then give a new meaning to "DMC"- Dr. Mark Celibate.

[ambchang]

No argument on the matter like I said after 5 tough for me to make that case I only argue it's close. You disagree? Shocker ...But that us for another time. Still shocked Spurs blowing out the Kang at home ...impressive.
Maybe you just like to argue but you one game away from ending that debate. Yes some of you will argue that Duncan had already surpassed but in your heart of hearts you knew Tim needed this outside this forum to make that case. It's fine. This is a Spur moment ...Who cares how close me or someone else sees it? Can't you just savor the victory Amb?

The point of the argument isn't Duncan >Kobe. The point is that it's absolutely idiotic to judge individuals on the basis of rings. Duncan > Kobe even without the 2007 ring. Kobe gets massively overrated with his accomplishments.

From an advanced statistics standpoint, his contributions to the 3 peat was clearly less than shaq and yet his contribution to the repeat was about equal to MVPau.

People also ignore his three years as the lone top dog from 05-07. He failed miserably. Duncan as the lone dog from 2000 to 2004 net them 50 win seasons and a ring.

[Killakobe81]

The point of the argument isn't Duncan >Kobe. The point is that it's absolutely idiotic to judge individuals on the basis of rings. Duncan > Kobe even without the 2007 ring. Kobe gets massively overrated with his accomplishments.

From an advanced statistics standpoint, his contributions to the 3 peat was clearly less than shaq and yet his contribution to the repeat was about equal to MVPau.

People also ignore his three years as the lone top dog from 05-07. He failed miserably. Duncan as the lone dog from 2000 to 2004 net them 50 win seasons and a ring.

Yawn. No need to rehash we know where you stand. DOes duncan's lessor contributions this go round make Duncan's pending 5th invalid? No.
Yes we know shaq was more valuable to the 3peat?
Kobe was still valuable just like Duncan still is or Kareem was at the end of his run. No rings are not ALL that matters ... but they matter a whole lot. When Duncan gets his fifth he not only passes shaq but he has two more than Bird, 3 more than Hakeem and Isiah. Same as Kobe and Magic and one less than Kareem and Jordan. That is what matters most. (no Horry does not factor here or any other role player no matter how significant)

You can take all the other stuff away but nothing is more important than Duncan being a key factor on 5 les. Magic and Kobe is great company. You can argue based on career length he may be greater than Magic ... (I disagree based on league impact and the fact it took more mins and games to break Magic's double double record.)

I would say his Finals MVP's plus rings may give him the edge over Kobe. But either way it's elite company but again I dont see the point of arguing it now.
Tim is making a strong argument with his play this season and a ring may just about end it.

[ambchang]

Yawn. No need to rehash we know where you stand. DOes duncan's lessor contributions this go round make Duncan's pending 5th invalid? Yes we know shaq was more valuable to the 3peat? No.
Kobe was still valuable just like Duncan still is or Kareem was at the end of his run. No rings are not ALL that matters ... but they matter a whole lot. When Duncan gets his fifth he not only passes shaq but he has two more than Bird, 3 more than Hakeem and Isiah. Same as Kobe and Magic and one less than Kareem and Jordan. That is what matters most. (no Horry does not factor here or any other role player no matter how significant)

You can take all the other stuff away but nothing is more important than Duncan being a key factor on 5 les. Magic and Kobe is great company. You can argue based on career length he may be greater than Magic ... (I disagree based on league impact and the fact it took more mins and games to break Magic's double double record.)

I would say his Finals MVP's plus rings may give him the edge over Kobe. But either way it's elite company but again I dont see the point of arguing it now.
Tim is making a strong argument with his play this season and a ring may just about end it.

Duncan vs magic is difficult. Magic saved the league and that's something Duncan can never do.

As for rings, let's put it this way. If Duncan does ring this year, Lebron would still be the best player in the game despite the loss. Right? Now that in itself shows that the best player does not necessarily ring, so how can you possibly extrapolate that and say whosever has more rings is the better player?

Teams matter, coaches matter, and the opposition matters.

[Killakobe81]

Duncan vs magic is difficult. Magic saved the league and that's something Duncan can never do.

As for rings, let's put it this way. If Duncan does ring this year, Lebron would still be the best player in the game despite the loss. Right? Now that in itself shows that the best player does not necessarily ring, so how can you possibly extrapolate that and say whosever has more rings is the better player?

Teams matter, coaches matter, and the opposition matters.

Of course it does. But the GOATS still ring multiple times when given adequate support ...that is what makes them great.
Malone for example had a HOF team-mate(s) and coach(s) and still failed.
Lebron is at his best a greater player than Tim. But at 5-2 of course you can make a case that TIm is the greater player.
Greatness is what you REPEATEDLY do. Only few have done THAT as much or more than Tim, Magic Kobe.
And those guys are Kareem, MJ and Russell. Is BR greater than Tim? I never saw him play so I have no clue. I would not say so JUST off rings.
However I saw MJ and Magic saw them ring and play from early on they are in my opinion greater. Kobe and Tim are close TO ME. With 5 I can definitely understand and agree with Tim>Kobe.
But those that act like that 5 doesnt matter just dont get how much winning means team sport or not ...how can the ultimate goal not matter for the game's greatest players?
YOu dont get it But you will see soon.

[Koolaid_Man]

So Killanot is Duncan better than Magic who has 5 rings....

[Killakobe81]

So Killanot is Duncan better than Magic who has 5 rings....

Duncan still needs one more ring.
Like I said it is very close but I would probably give Tim the edge but Kobe is not done either at least as a player ...I doubt he rings again.
Magic Like Amb said not only helped save the League ...but made the Finals what 9 out of 11 years?

[ambchang]

Of course it does. But the GOATS still ring multiple times when given adequate support ...that is what makes them great.
Malone for example had a HOF team-mate(s) and coach(s) and still failed.
Lebron is at his best a greater player than Tim. But at 5-2 of course you can make a case that TIm is the greater player.
Greatness is what you REPEATEDLY do. Only few have done THAT as much or more than Tim, Magic Kobe.
And those guys are Kareem, MJ and Russell. Is BR greater than Tim? I never saw him play so I have no clue. I would not say so JUST off rings.
However I saw MJ and Magic saw them ring and play from early on they are in my opinion greater. Kobe and Tim are close TO ME. With 5 I can definitely understand and agree with Tim>Kobe.
But those that act like that 5 doesnt matter just dont get how much winning means team sport or not ...how can the ultimate goal not matter for the game's greatest players?
YOu dont get it But you will see soon.

With the right cir stances a great player will ring, but the number does not matter. Being on a great team for multiple seasons will obviously get you more chances at a ring vs someone who does not have that chance (see Dirk).

Superstar are easier to build around, but they still has to be built around. Hakeem would be tingles without tomjonavich's system, but that wouldn't make him a lesser player. Kobe in Charlotte will met him zero rings, but that wouldn't make him a lesser player. Duncan without pop, MJ without Phil, and you can go on and on. You put Duncan in Milwaukee and he gets nothing even though he may put up more impressive numbers, but it's still the same player.

As for Malone, he's just a pedophile who deserves to rot in .

Finally, I get winning is the most important thing but it holds very little water to evaluate an individual.

[Koolaid_Man]

Duncan still needs one more ring.
Like I said it is very close but I would probably give Tim the edge but Kobe is not done either at least as a player ...I doubt he rings again.
Magic Like Amb said not only helped save the League ...but made the Finals what 9 out of 11 years?

Ohh so we have bull qualifiers now...you guys are so full of Spin till it ain't even funny....so let me ask is Tammy better than Bird...I've never seen so much spin to justify a clearly debunked viewpoint in my life...

[Killakobe81]

Ohh so we have bull qualifiers now...you guys are so full of Spin till it ain't even funny....so let me ask is Tammy better than Bird...I've never seen so much spin to justify a clearly debunked viewpoint in my life...

Im gonna say yes I would take Tim over Bird but there are even some Spur fans that disagree.
I do think despite teh ring differential it's fairly close because of Bird's impact and dominance over a short while but I would say yes Tim is greater than Larry Legend.

Which gets back to my original point. When you are talking about the VERY BEST of the best. How else will you settle this? Points? MvP's? Finals MVP's? Raw numbers? Advanced metrics? Bottom line is they are ALL great players and for me IF IT IS CLOSE rings are the tie breaker.

Some argue Bird and Tim aren't close then it wouldnt matter (same for Duncan/Kobe by poeple on both sides of that argument) but I think all those players are close: Magic, Kobe duncan, Lebron and Bird. So ring count should matter.

Im actually bored on this subject. for me Bird vs. Lebron is a better debate. Same position. Similar unselfish games but right now Bird has him beat where it matters most ...ring count. And don't give me that Bird played with HOF players excuse, because Bird had tougher compe ion and Lebron has HOF team-mates as well.

[The Batman]

[unforeseen]

OP is a got.

[Mao Zedong]

So, honourable posters, now that the resident wigger stopped being a Lakers fans, I request everyone joins me in asking the esteemed administrators on this forum to change his preferred team to any other but the Lakers. I recommend the Toronto Raports.