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    In my personal assessment, this is a race between Kawhi Leonard (1st Place), Boris Diaw (2nd Place) and Tim Duncan (a distant 3rd place).

    I give the edge to Kawhi because he had such an impact on the "tougher" games in Miami. Also, throughout the series he has had to guard Lebron James...and King James hasn't totally destroyed us yet.

    Diaw gets the next nod because the shift of putting him into the starting lineup (and minimizing Tiago Splitter in favor of Boris) completely changed the series into back-to-back blowouts. Plus, hes the assist leader on a team everyone is salivating over their assists.

    Duncan has had an obvious impact. But this is a series that hes supposed to dominate in with softies like Bosh and Lewis doing a lot of the guarding. Still, his numbers are solid and hes our foundation regardless of anything and everything else.

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    He has had a marvelous career. But if we lose this series his legacy will remain damaged.
    You are my hero. I love you.

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    I know it will never happen, but there should be a history-making 'team MVP' award. It won't happen, but because of the reality of that,
    it really doesn't matter to me who gets it.

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    The sad thing is Manu will be known for the reason why we didn't win a championship (injuries at the wrong time, mistakes, Tec.) than did even though he was a big part of it especially in '05 when he put the team on his shoulders when Tim couldn't do it all. Oh well he's got his overall international accomplishments and what do you really expect out of a 57th pick in the NBA
    Tony deserves more blame for '06 than Manu. He was terrible in the playoffs that year. Sucked in '04 as well. He deserves equal blame with Manu for 2013. Horrendous Finals after a great Conference Finals run. But all will be forgotten if SA wins the le this year. Hopefully they close the deal on Sunday.

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    Biggest +/- and you are saying he is still costing the team. Dude, really go see a psychiatrist b/c your infatuation with Manu is behind disturbing.
    Leave him alone dude is a ing idiot, I had him on my friends list and after seeing how he keeps bashing Manu even when he plays good I deleted and blocked his ing name, I bashed Manu after last year finals but you gotta keep things in perspective obviously Skull is a couch potato that will never understand you cant always win what a ing re .

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    This is Kawhi year no ing way Tony deserves it even Pop sent him to the bench at times because dude started his HERO ACT, Patty and Manu kept things right also I think its time to give it to Sugar K as a ¨pass the torch¨ stuff.

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    Duncan with 3 FMVP. Parker with 2 FMVP.

    Manu becomes the forgotten man?

    There is zero chance Parker will get MVP this time, if it ends on Sunday.

    It's likely, if the Spurs win it all on Sunday that Duncan will get it. Manu has a shot if he puts 20 pts, 10 assists and the SPurs win because of him.

    Also Kwahi and Boris have a shot too.

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    Also would like to add that the year Manu deserved the Finals MVP was in 05 but people didnt have enough balls to give it to a foreigner so they gave it to Duncan instead which I'm fine with anyways.

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    Also would like to add that the year Manu deserved the Finals MVP was in 05 but people didnt have enough balls to give it to a foreigner so they gave it to Duncan instead which I'm fine with anyways.
    Not this again smh. Look at Tim's numbers that series...
    Don't bump this troll's threads anymore, tbh

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    Not this again smh. Look at Tim's numbers that series...
    Don't bump this troll's threads anymore, tbh
    im not expecting that you cheer on Manu - you never have and never will, but denying Manu was king in the 05 finals is ridiculous. Spurs' 05 was Manu's team, then it went to Tony in 07.

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    Or, the Spurs win a close game 5 where Lebron goes off for 40, and the NBA pulls another Jerry West.

    Frankly, MVP awards are not what the Spurs are about. They win because they don't rely too much on one guy.

    That said, if anyone gets it, it's Duncan. He's been the most consistent.
    Don't agree with this, Duncan has been going in the wrong direction all series really. Last 2 games Duncan had only 6 rebs in game 3, and then only 10 pts in game 4, he also only has 2 blocks all series. Kawhi on the other hand has been getting better every game. He has 5 blocks and 8 steals and 3/4 games shot 58% or better. People like to say he was awful games 1 and 2, but not really, he was in foul trouble so didn't play a lot, but still got 9 pts. If he can get 9 pts in 20 some minutes and it is considered awful then how come Duncan having 10 in 31 is just fine? Duncan also has 12 turnovers to Kawhi's 2.

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    Even though I wish it could be a team thing, and even though Kawhi will likely get it if he has another good game (which I don't really mind), I think Boris has made the biggest difference.

    Kawhi's offensive onslaught didn't start until Diaw started, and Diaw makes the offense run better than anyone, including Tony, Manu or Tim. Miami can just about contain our big three if Boris isn't in there and Tiago is, but putting Diaw in there in lieu of Tiago means there is always one more ball-handling threat than Miami can cover, and that allows Kawhi's skill set to take off.

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    im not expecting that you cheer on Manu - you never have and never will, but denying Manu was king in the 05 finals is ridiculous. Spurs' 05 was Manu's team, then it went to Tony in 07.
    I'm not a Manu hater lol, I'm a Manu hater. His trolls keep attacking other players like Parker, Green, Kawhi...

    Always trying to keep the blame off Manu,
    "Parker hero balled in Game 6"
    "Green never showed in Game 6" <--- Lol a role player
    "Kawhi missed a free throw too" <--- he was 21 smh

    But, yeah Manu was huge that series

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    I'm not a Manu hater lol, I'm a Manu hater. His trolls keep attacking other players like Parker, Green, Kawhi...

    Always trying to keep the blame off Manu,
    "Parker hero balled in Game 6"
    "Green never showed in Game 6" <--- Lol a role player
    "Kawhi missed a free throw too" <--- he was 21 smh

    But, yeah Manu was huge that series
    To me it's impossible to put the blame on any one guy as BB is a team sport by definition and they play for 48 minutes. But I agree with some elements here who like to target specific players.

    Also, I know Im not the first one talking about this but I do believe the Spurs have shifted from player to system through the years and Pop built the teams each year around a general idea. This is the rundown the way I see it:

    1999 - Robinson's team
    2003 - Duncan's team
    2005 - Manu's team
    2007 - Tony's team
    2011 -> present - no one's team, just the team

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    Leave him alone dude is a ing idiot, I had him on my friends list and after seeing how he keeps bashing Manu even when he plays good I deleted and blocked his ing name, I bashed Manu after last year finals but you gotta keep things in perspective obviously Skull is a couch potato that will never understand you cant always win what a ing re .

    When have I bashed manu manu when he played well? Never.

    But I am not gonna' hump his leg until he makes up for last year. If we win the le this time I will consider granting him a pardon.

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    Leonard's early struggles are over blown, he played fantastic defense in game 1 on Lebron, same with game 2, Lebron just made Lebron type shots, absolutely nothing you can do about that. People forget just how much of a beast Lebron is out there, put him against any other defender and he's gonna drop 40+ PPG on them.

    Leonard has to go against him on both sides of the floor. Every other Spur has the luxury of an easy matchup aside of Green. Chalmers doesn't even look like an NBA starter anymore, Allen is nothing more than a role player, Bosh doesn't play D nor does Lewis.

    You cancel out Lebron or at least limit him and MIA is nothing without him.
    Leonard hasn't "canceled out LeBron" except in game 3. Kawhi also isn't the only one defending LeBron, but he is on him more than anyone else.

    Like I said, if Timmy has a better game 5, he wins. If Leonard has his games 3 and 4 for games 1 and 2 and Duncan had his games 1 and 2 in games 3 and 4, we'd all be talking about Duncan right now as the clear MVP. I think Duncan/Leonard's first two games are being forgotten already. Duncan's shooting 66% and grabbing over 10 RPG. Leonard is averaging just 1 more PPG and has half the rebounds on lesser FG%. Both players have been playing great D. Look at Bosh's stats, he has been completely neutralized by Duncan, while also defending other shots and setting great screens.

    Leonard has just been doing it flashier and more recently. Imo it's close and whoever has the noticeably better game will take it. Personally I hope it's Duncan since he was going to win it last year before the rest of the team let him down.

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    To me it's impossible to put the blame on any one guy as BB is a team sport by definition and they play for 48 minutes. But I agree with some elements here who like to target specific players.

    Also, I know Im not the first one talking about this but I do believe the Spurs have shifted from player to system through the years and Pop built the teams each year around a general idea. This is the rundown the way I see it:

    1999 - Robinson and Duncan's team
    2003 - Duncan's team
    2005 - Duncan's team with Manu as #2
    2007 - Tony and Duncan's team, Tony had his best series in the finals
    2011-2013- Tonys team with some team play
    2014- team ball 100%
    FIFY, did you even watch the spurs lol

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    I still think Manu should've won Finals MVP in '05, tbh.

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    He's shooting 51% too.

    Tony: 74 points, 51%

    Kawhi: 67 points, 58%

    Timmy: 63 points, 66%


    Duncan leads in combined stats in the other statistical categories though due to loads of rebounds. Imo, Duncan wins in stats, and Duncan/Leonard are close in impact. Tony is 3rd despite being scoring leader imo. Who the NBA chooses will be very interesting. They have never chosen someone who did not lead the winning team in scoring.
    What are you using for Duncan's shooting %? His FT %? Kawhi actually has a better shooting % even though almost 40% of Kawhi's shots are 3's. Kawhi has a lot less rebounds but has more steals, blocks, and less turnovers and has to guard Lebron

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    FIFY, did you even watch the spurs lol
    I can further expand on your adjustments - no need to get stupid with me when you don't know me, IDIOT...

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    I still think Manu should've won Finals MVP in '05, tbh.

    Agreed.

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    Gonna be a hard choice and game 5 will be the clincher but at this point I think the vote would go to TD out of respect. He is clearly leading this team.

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    What are you using for Duncan's shooting %? His FT %? Kawhi actually has a better shooting % even though almost 40% of Kawhi's shots are 3's. Kawhi has a lot less rebounds but has more steals, blocks, and less turnovers and has to guard Lebron

    We have not won yet. But it is either Diaw or Leonard in my book so far.

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    I can further expand on your adjustments - no need to get stupid with me when you don't know me, IDIOT...
    U mad bro?

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    Leonard hasn't "canceled out LeBron" except in game 3. Kawhi also isn't the only one defending LeBron, but he is on him more than anyone else.

    Like I said, if Timmy has a better game 5, he wins. If Leonard has his games 3 and 4 for games 1 and 2 and Duncan had his games 1 and 2 in games 3 and 4, we'd all be talking about Duncan right now as the clear MVP. I think Duncan/Leonard's first two games are being forgotten already. Duncan's shooting 66% and grabbing over 10 RPG. Leonard is averaging just 1 more PPG and has half the rebounds on lesser FG%. Both players have been playing great D. Look at Bosh's stats, he has been completely neutralized by Duncan, while also defending other shots and setting great screens.

    Leonard has just been doing it flashier and more recently. Imo it's close and whoever has the noticeably better game will take it. Personally I hope it's Duncan since he was going to win it last year before the rest of the team let him down.
    You keep taking Duncan's shooting percentage from games 1 and 2 and say that is what he is shooting for the whole series. Stop it.

    Leonard has a higher FG% even though he takes 40% of his shots from 3.

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