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    As it pertains to cap space, here's how I see it breaking down. We don't have any cap room this year regardless if we want to bring back Diaw and Mills, and even if we don't then we only have $9m assuming Duncan opts in. Simply put, there's no downside in cap terms to bringing Diaw and Mills back next year.

    2015 is where it gets interesting. It could be the best free agent class ever, with Love, Aldridge, Gasol and possibly Lebron, Bosh and Melo. We are clearly looking towards that class with the way Splitters contract has been structured.

    First of all it should be clear that if Duncan or Manu come back for 2015 and want to make anything more than the mini-MLE or vet minimum, we aren't going to have cap space for anybody so the debate is over before it begins. Assuming they both retire though, here's how it could look:

    If we resign Mills, Diaw and can get Kawhi at a slight discount (starting $12m instead of $14m), we could be looking at a payroll of

    Kawhi $12m
    Splitter $8.5m
    Diaw $5m
    Mills $3m

    Next comes our important free agents for that year, Parker and Green. If we can sign them starting around their current salaries, thats...

    Parker $13m
    Green $4m

    Totall all that up and we have $44.5m committed to those 6 players. Add in around $3m of cap holds for the rest of the roster we go to $47.5m, meaning we could offer a $15m contract to somebody assuming a cap of $62.5m.

    Is $15m enough for those free agents mentioned? I think it's certainly enough to bring in Marc Gasol (who is my #1 choice outside of Lebron), but perhaps not enough for Love, Aldridge or Melo.

    Personally I don't think it's worth turning down Mills at $3m/yr just to roll the dice for a player like Love, Aldridge or Melo, none of whom will bring in the defence that we will lose with Duncan retiring.
    Well, count me as a person on the other side of that argument. I definitely don't think Mills is worth losing that cap space. He's not a bad player, but he's definitely not a post-Big Three player with a roster as constructed above. I can get on board with Mills being a good tertiary ball-handler who's working his way up to being a decent secondary one, but I don't think he'll ever be good enough to lead his own unit without one or two players next to him with at least as much play-making ability as he has. Unless the Spurs draft or sign a couple of young players to help off the bench, I see a potential signing of Mills to be extremely short-sighted.

    Speaking of young players, you forgot to add in three holds for first-rounders (Jean-Charles and whomever the team drafts this and next year). That adds at least a million to your projected cap. I also think you're at least a million under what Green and Diaw will get, and perhaps what Mills would get as well. With those projections in mind, the Spurs would be closer to $10-11 Million if they keep Mills and extend Leonard. That's not enough to get Gasol (and again, I think it'd be a really poor decision to try to run with both Marc and Tiago in the front court), let alone Love, Aldridge or Bosh (Melo isn't even a consideration).

    They could save the $3-4 Million by not re-signing Mills, and they could save another $5 Million or so by waiting to re-sign Leonard and not extending him. Doing both would be the only way for the Spurs to be able to afford a vested-max contract, but even if they're aiming for a below-vested-max contract in the $15 Million range, they'll have to make some sacrifices such as continuing to keep picks in Europe and not signing any young players to multi-year deals this off-season. And even with all that, they'd have to not extend Kawhi to be able to have enough cap space if they keep Mills (and Baynes, but people forget the Spurs have a decision with him coming up as well).

    Personally, I think the Spurs could remain a compe ive team if they lost Duncan and Ginobili provided they re-signed their upcoming free-agents over the next two years, supplement the roster with some smart draft picks and find a way to collect an above-average starting power-forward like Ilyasova, Millsap or Thad Young. But if they want to be a contender after Tim hangs them up, they need to find a way to acquire another star to carry the offense. Unless the team finds a way to acquire a future-star big on a cheap contract, they'll need to prioritize cap space. Simply put, Mills is a piece that you add, not one you build around.

    EDIT: I forgot the add that the 2015 cap is projected to be $65 Million, as opposed to $62.5 Million like next year. That gives a little more wiggle room for all scenarios. It still would be an incredibly tight fit to try to go after Gasol while keeping Mills, though. It doesn't change my opinion, but I wanted to be fair.
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    Well, count me as a person on the other side of that argument. I definitely don't think Mills is worth losing that cap space. He's not a bad player, but he's definitely not a post-Big Three player with a roster as constructed above. I can get on board with Mills being a good tertiary ball-handler who's working his way up to being a decent secondary one, but I don't think he'll ever be good enough to lead his own unit without one or two players next to him with at least as much play-making ability as he has. Unless the Spurs draft or sign a couple of young players to help off the bench, I see a potential signing of Mills to be extremely short-sighted.

    Speaking of young players, you forgot to add in three holds for first-rounders (Jean-Charles and whomever the team drafts this and next year). That adds at least a million to your projected cap. I also think you're at least a million under what Green and Diaw will get, and perhaps what Mills would get as well. With those projections in mind, the Spurs would be closer to $10-11 Million if they keep Mills and extend Leonard. That's not enough to get Gasol (and again, I think it'd be a really poor decision to try to run with both Marc and Tiago in the front court), let alone Love, Aldridge or Bosh (Melo isn't even a consideration).

    They could save the $3-4 Million by not re-signing Mills, and they could save another $5 Million or so by waiting to re-sign Leonard and not extending him. Doing both would be the only way for the Spurs to be able to afford a vested-max contract, but even if they're aiming for a below-vested-max contract in the $15 Million range, they'll have to make some sacrifices such as continuing to keep picks in Europe and not signing any young players to multi-year deals this off-season. And even with all that, they'd have to not extend Kawhi to be able to have enough cap space if they keep Mills (and Baynes, but people forget the Spurs have a decision with him coming up as well).

    Personally, I think the Spurs could remain a compe ive team if they lost Duncan and Ginobili provided they re-signed their upcoming free-agents over the next two years, supplement the roster with some smart draft picks and find a way to collect an above-average starting power-forward like Ilyasova, Millsap or Thad Young. But if they want to be a contender after Tim hangs them up, they need to find a way to acquire another star to carry the offense. Unless the team finds a way to acquire a future-star big on a cheap contract, they'll need to prioritize cap space. Simply put, Mills is a piece that you add, not one you build around.

    EDIT: I forgot the add that the 2015 cap is projected to be $65 Million, as opposed to $62.5 Million like next year. That gives a little more wiggle room for all scenarios. It still would be an incredibly tight fit to try to go after Gasol while keeping Mills, though. It doesn't change my opinion, but I wanted to be fair.
    I agree I don't think Mills is a Manu-esque player who can lead a bench unit, but he will be vital over the next Parker contract to buy him some rest especially with international duties. We will need to pay a backup point guard in some respect, so Mills at $3m isn't really $3m against cap space as we'd have to pay around $1m for a minimum backup point guard instead. Thinking of it that way he seems even better value at $3m.

    I disagree that Boris and Green will be $1m more expensive each, I think $5m and $4m are fair values but this is something neither of us can really say with any certainty. If it means giving Boris a 4th year (perhaps partially guaranteed) in order for him to take less per year then it's something worth considering to keep us cap flexible, such as $20m/4yr.

    Obviously we're talking about a number of free agents, many of whom might not even become free agents. I think it's very dangerous to go down the Dallas route of prioritising cap space over keeping a winning group. The difference between Mills and Jospeh (or a minimum FA) could be 3 or 4 wins, which could easily be the difference between homecourt against OKC.

    I think Aldridge is staying in Portland with Lillard regardless, Bosh is completely dependant on Lebron and anything could happen with Love. One of the reasons I like Marc Gasol is because he won't be chased ahead of those I just mentioned, likely won't command a max deal as he'll be just turning 30, and I think is most likely to leave as Memphis has likely peaked with its current group.

    If indeed the cap does go up $2.5m more than I predicted, that can account for a couple rookies we draft/bring over in the coming years and we will still have around $15m which I still think will be enough for Gasol. He is the best fit offensively as he is basically Duncan on the offensive end with his passing and jumpshooting, and is even better defensively. If Splitter can make it work with Duncan he can make it work with Gasol.

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    I disagree that Boris and Green will be $1m more expensive each, I think $5m and $4m are fair values but this is something neither of us can really say with any certainty. If it means giving Boris a 4th year (perhaps partially guaranteed) in order for him to take less per year then it's something worth considering to keep us cap flexible, such as $20m/4yr.
    Korver is making 6M/y, Ariza almost 7M and will definitely get more this summer... I don't see how Green is worth 4M on the open market...

    Boris is more debatable because of his inconsistent past but even then contenders like the Thunder and the Pacers who need better offensive flow should/could really make a move to get him...

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    I agree I don't think Mills is a Manu-esque player who can lead a bench unit, but he will be vital over the next Parker contract to buy him some rest especially with international duties. We will need to pay a backup point guard in some respect, so Mills at $3m isn't really $3m against cap space as we'd have to pay around $1m for a minimum backup point guard instead. Thinking of it that way he seems even better value at $3m.
    I agree with you that Patty is worth a 3M hit cap space and largely for the reasons you cite, but what if he has offers for the full MLE (4yrs/21M)? I just can't see the Spurs matching that number for a backup PG. I expect that 3yrs/10M will be about as far as they're willing to go.

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    Korver is making 6M/y, Ariza almost 7M and will definitely get more this summer... I don't see how Green is worth 4M on the open market...

    Boris is more debatable because of his inconsistent past but even then contenders like the Thunder and the Pacers who need better offensive flow should/could really make a move to get him...
    Neither of those two contenders can offer more than the MLE for Boris.

    I agree that Danny will be worth more than 4M in 2015, assuming a reasonable progression in his game.

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    I agree with you that Patty is worth a 3M hit cap space and largely for the reasons you cite, but what if he has offers for the full MLE (4yrs/21M)? I just can't see the Spurs matching that number for a backup PG. I expect that 3yrs/10M will be about as far as they're willing to go.
    If Patty gets the full MLE in an offer then we have to wave goodbye and wish him luck. I really like him as a player but I think that's too expensive for a backup point guard.

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    yes you're right, i don't see patty as a starting pg because he can't defend the westchimps of the league
    Please list every single NBA point guard in this league at present who is capable of guarding Westbrook. Thanks.

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    Korver is making 6M/y, Ariza almost 7M and will definitely get more this summer... I don't see how Green is worth 4M on the open market...
    I agree that Danny will be worth more than 4M in 2015, assuming a reasonable progression in his game.
    Maybe Danny will get offers of more than $4m, but I'm not sure how much more he is worth. He's a great shooter and defender, but thats it. In truth he has a very limited game when he isn't getting great looks out of our ball movement. I have to say I don't think Ariza or Korver are worth what they are getting paid either, but both are currently in the highest paid year of their current deal (Ariza last, Korver first).

    If we got Green to resign for $4m, his highest paid year would be $5m for a total $18m/4yr.

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    I agree I don't think Mills is a Manu-esque player who can lead a bench unit, but he will be vital over the next Parker contract to buy him some rest especially with international duties. We will need to pay a backup point guard in some respect, so Mills at $3m isn't really $3m against cap space as we'd have to pay around $1m for a minimum backup point guard instead. Thinking of it that way he seems even better value at $3m.
    That's not quite how the cap works (or rather has to work). If the Spurs got the cap-space route, they'd have the room exception ($2.8 Million) to offer to a backup point-guard after signing a big free-agent. If Mills were going to be a free agent in 2015 instead of next year, he could slot right into that spot. It's really just bad timing on his part. If he wants to sign a decreasing $6M/2 deal with player option this off-season, then the Spurs may well be able to play that type of cap manipulation in which Mills opts out next June only to get the same contract under a new definition (with another year attached).

    As far as the $1 Million goes, it really depends on how that money is spent. I think there are a couple of players in the draft this year who could make fine backups to Parker. I think spending that money on them would be a good investment of a pick. If you mean the Spurs would actually sign a minimum player like a TJ Ford, I can understand your apprehension. Min guards are hit or miss. Note, though, that the Spurs wouldn't actually have to account for this money in their cap space, as minimum contracts can be signed even after cap room is used.

    I disagree that Boris and Green will be $1m more expensive each, I think $5m and $4m are fair values but this is something neither of us can really say with any certainty. If it means giving Boris a 4th year (perhaps partially guaranteed) in order for him to take less per year then it's something worth considering to keep us cap flexible, such as $20m/4yr.
    I agree we don't know for sure. Green has another year on his deal, and how he plays in 2014-2015 will have a large bearing on what he gets. If Danny stays where he is now, he's probably looking at something around the MLE. If he becomes more consistent and averages the 12-14 ppg is had post-All-Star break, he could get a bit more. He fades away, he'll probably get a contract similar to what he got in 2012. As far as Diaw is concerned, I could see him doing something similar to what McDyess did, but I don't think he's even thinking about retirement now. I think he'll stay so long as the team wants him to, but I think he'll be getting something in the $6-7M/year range. To each their own, though.

    Obviously we're talking about a number of free agents, many of whom might not even become free agents. I think it's very dangerous to go down the Dallas route of prioritising cap space over keeping a winning group. The difference between Mills and Jospeh (or a minimum FA) could be 3 or 4 wins, which could easily be the difference between homecourt against OKC.

    I think Aldridge is staying in Portland with Lillard regardless, Bosh is completely dependant on Lebron and anything could happen with Love. One of the reasons I like Marc Gasol is because he won't be chased ahead of those I just mentioned, likely won't command a max deal as he'll be just turning 30, and I think is most likely to leave as Memphis has likely peaked with its current group.
    As I mentioned before, Joseph and Mills aren't in the same category, since Cory can be re-signed in 2015 to the room exception without affecting the cap. In general, there are several ways to prevent the backup PG spot from being a weakness. I don't think it's fair to categorize letting one player go as being similar to what Dallas did in 2011. Mills is a nice player, and he's arguably "key" to the Spurs' success. But he's key in the way JJ Barea was, not in the way Tyson Chandler was. Had the Mavs just let Barea go to get another player to put around Dirk and Chandler, I don't think anyone would have been on Dallas' case. In that regard, the Spurs would be letting one player (the eighth man) go to chase a star. That's certainly a gamble worth taking from my vantage point.

    I don't think it's clear at all that Aldridge is a Blazer for life. He's been noncommittal as about 2015, and if Portland gets bounced so easily again, I think LA would at least test the market. A team like the Spurs, with a winning tradition, a great roster and being down the highway from his hometown, would probably stand a good chance to land him. If Pop still plans to be around, I think the Spurs may well be favorites to land him or Bosh (whose hometown is up the other interstate). Bosh has been in Miami so long that people forget how good of a player he is. He'd be a huge get for the Spurs, a much better one than Gasol due to his ability to play both front-court positions at a high level on both ends. Love's a wildcard who I think will be this generation's Barkley. If he wants to come to the Spurs, fine, but I wouldn't roll out the red carpet for him.

    If indeed the cap does go up $2.5m more than I predicted, that can account for a couple rookies we draft/bring over in the coming years and we will still have around $15m which I still think will be enough for Gasol. He is the best fit offensively as he is basically Duncan on the offensive end with his passing and jumpshooting, and is even better defensively. If Splitter can make it work with Duncan he can make it work with Gasol.
    I've talked about my views on Gasol-to-the-Spurs many times, so I wont' go on and on about it here. I don't think the Spurs should be looking to get a Duncan replacement in 2015. It just won't work. The team is on the precipice of a fourth evolution since 1997. As Parker ages and Leonard ascends, the team will need different things from their players. They won't be able to run as many PnRs as they do now once Parker stops being as big of a scoring threat. They'll need another offensive staple, and Leonard isos won't cut it, nor will his post-ups if their are two bigs in the lane all the time. They'll need both spacing and a third source of offense from a player who can get his own shot. That's why having an elite offensive big who can also shoot from outside will be important if the Spurs keep the rest of their SL the same. The defense isn't going anywhere with the Medium Three on the roster, but the offense will go south if the Spurs continue down their current path.

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    Maybe Danny will get offers of more than $4m, but I'm not sure how much more he is worth. He's a great shooter and defender, but thats it. In truth he has a very limited game when he isn't getting great looks out of our ball movement. I have to say I don't think Ariza or Korver are worth what they are getting paid either, but both are currently in the highest paid year of their current deal (Ariza last, Korver first).

    If we got Green to resign for $4m, his highest paid year would be $5m for a total $18m/4yr.
    It's more appropriate to say Green's not good at driving and play-making. Great shooting and defending is like 80 percent of the game. There aren't many other wings who are great at that many things, and the ones who are aren't making less than the MLE. I don't think Danny will get Korver or Ariza money, though. It's not that he's not as good as they are, but it's more that the teams that need a player like Green will only have the MLE to offer. I think he'll have his suitors on a $21M/4 deal, and if we're just talking about $750k/year here, I don't see why the Spurs would let him go.

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    Free agency is a pipe dream what big time player is going to want to come to San Antonio and play with who? The only way we win again is the same way and that is through the draft and signing good role players.

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    It's more appropriate to say Green's not good at driving and play-making. Great shooting and defending is like 80 percent of the game. There aren't many other wings who are great at that many things, and the ones who are aren't making less than the MLE. I don't think Danny will get Korver or Ariza money, though. It's not that he's not as good as they are, but it's more that the teams that need a player like Green will only have the MLE to offer. I think he'll have his suitors on a $21M/4 deal, and if we're just talking about $750k/year here, I don't see why the Spurs would let him go.
    I agree with you that the Spurs won't let him go for the sake of an extra $750k/yr, but I'm not sure he is a full-MLE caliber player.

    I disagree that shooting and defence is 80% of the game though. On the Spurs it might be as we have elite playmakers in Parker and Ginobili and can play inside out with elite passing from Duncan and Diaw, but that isn't true for very many teams.

    Most teams need more from their shooting guard than Green can provide, he can't pass the ball under any sort of pressure and is more likely to turn it over than score once he puts the ball on the floor.

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    That's not quite how the cap works (or rather has to work). If the Spurs got the cap-space route, they'd have the room exception ($2.8 Million) to offer to a backup point-guard after signing a big free-agent. If Mills were going to be a free agent in 2015 instead of next year, he could slot right into that spot. It's really just bad timing on his part. If he wants to sign a decreasing $6M/2 deal with player option this off-season, then the Spurs may well be able to play that type of cap manipulation in which Mills opts out next June only to get the same contract under a new definition (with another year attached).

    As far as the $1 Million goes, it really depends on how that money is spent. I think there are a couple of players in the draft this year who could make fine backups to Parker. I think spending that money on them would be a good investment of a pick. If you mean the Spurs would actually sign a minimum player like a TJ Ford, I can understand your apprehension. Min guards are hit or miss. Note, though, that the Spurs wouldn't actually have to account for this money in their cap space, as minimum contracts can be signed even after cap room is used.



    I agree we don't know for sure. Green has another year on his deal, and how he plays in 2014-2015 will have a large bearing on what he gets. If Danny stays where he is now, he's probably looking at something around the MLE. If he becomes more consistent and averages the 12-14 ppg is had post-All-Star break, he could get a bit more. He fades away, he'll probably get a contract similar to what he got in 2012. As far as Diaw is concerned, I could see him doing something similar to what McDyess did, but I don't think he's even thinking about retirement now. I think he'll stay so long as the team wants him to, but I think he'll be getting something in the $6-7M/year range. To each their own, though.



    As I mentioned before, Joseph and Mills aren't in the same category, since Cory can be re-signed in 2015 to the room exception without affecting the cap. In general, there are several ways to prevent the backup PG spot from being a weakness. I don't think it's fair to categorize letting one player go as being similar to what Dallas did in 2011. Mills is a nice player, and he's arguably "key" to the Spurs' success. But he's key in the way JJ Barea was, not in the way Tyson Chandler was. Had the Mavs just let Barea go to get another player to put around Dirk and Chandler, I don't think anyone would have been on Dallas' case. In that regard, the Spurs would be letting one player (the eighth man) go to chase a star. That's certainly a gamble worth taking from my vantage point.

    I don't think it's clear at all that Aldridge is a Blazer for life. He's been noncommittal as about 2015, and if Portland gets bounced so easily again, I think LA would at least test the market. A team like the Spurs, with a winning tradition, a great roster and being down the highway from his hometown, would probably stand a good chance to land him. If Pop still plans to be around, I think the Spurs may well be favorites to land him or Bosh (whose hometown is up the other interstate). Bosh has been in Miami so long that people forget how good of a player he is. He'd be a huge get for the Spurs, a much better one than Gasol due to his ability to play both front-court positions at a high level on both ends. Love's a wildcard who I think will be this generation's Barkley. If he wants to come to the Spurs, fine, but I wouldn't roll out the red carpet for him.



    I've talked about my views on Gasol-to-the-Spurs many times, so I wont' go on and on about it here. I don't think the Spurs should be looking to get a Duncan replacement in 2015. It just won't work. The team is on the precipice of a fourth evolution since 1997. As Parker ages and Leonard ascends, the team will need different things from their players. They won't be able to run as many PnRs as they do now once Parker stops being as big of a scoring threat. They'll need another offensive staple, and Leonard isos won't cut it, nor will his post-ups if their are two bigs in the lane all the time. They'll need both spacing and a third source of offense from a player who can get his own shot. That's why having an elite offensive big who can also shoot from outside will be important if the Spurs keep the rest of their SL the same. The defense isn't going anywhere with the Medium Three on the roster, but the offense will go south if the Spurs continue down their current path.
    Good post. However, the Spurs DO need to replace Duncan. Not necessarily with another player who plays similar to Tim, but they absolutely need another big. Marc Gasol would be phenomenal in that role, even if he can't do the things Tim did.

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    I agree with you that the Spurs won't let him go for the sake of an extra $750k/yr, but I'm not sure he is a full-MLE caliber player.

    I disagree that shooting and defence is 80% of the game though. On the Spurs it might be as we have elite playmakers in Parker and Ginobili and can play inside out with elite passing from Duncan and Diaw, but that isn't true for very many teams.

    Most teams need more from their shooting guard than Green can provide, he can't pass the ball under any sort of pressure and is more likely to turn it over than score once he puts the ball on the floor.
    He's not actually more likely to turn the ball over than score when he dribbles. I imagine you're just being hyperbolic, but provided your aren't I wanted to clear that up. He gets into trouble if he's blitzed before he can pass the ball to the man he expected to be open. He has an odd way of bringing up the ball that lets players swipe at it before he can bring it up to shoot. Those are true things. But what's also true is that Green was a much-improved finisher this season, and he was fine dribbling in set plays or even when he had to improvise, provided his target remained open. I think he'll be more confident shooting off the dribble from mid-range next season. I don't he'll ever be an above-average scorer, but he'll be able to do enough to compliment Parker and Leonard.

    Even with his limitations, though, I don't think he'll be without strong suitors. It's true that there are a lot of teams that need more from their wings on offense, there are a select few which do not/will not by 2015. Those will be OKC, Miami if they stay together (wherever James goes if the Heat break up), Portland, the Clippers, and potentially teams like Chicago and Indiana depending on how their rosters evolve over the next year. Those are teams that need elite shooting and defense and have the stars to draw attention away from Green so he can get open. Will it be the same as it is with the Spurs, no. But that doesn't tend to depress a player's market much at all.

    Think how much OKC could have used Green instead of Sef in the WCF. That's well worth the extra bit over what Sefolosha got.

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    Good post. However, the Spurs DO need to replace Duncan. Not necessarily with another player who plays similar to Tim, but they absolutely need another big. Marc Gasol would be phenomenal in that role, even if he can't do the things Tim did.
    What I am saying is that they Spurs' system will not be the same when Tim retires. The Spurs can't just plug in another big and expect everything to be the keep working for years. While Gasol may well be the best analog to Old Duncan in the league today, Old Duncan 2.0 won't cut it with Old Parker and Aging Splitter. We all hope Leonard takes more load on the offense, but the poor spacing from having two centers would dramatically reduce his effectiveness.

    Instead, the Spurs need their next PF to be slanted toward offense to balance out the SL, which will be fine defensively with Lock n Lock and Splitter. That's why my preferred targets are all PFs with range and the demonstrated ability to carry an offense. Bosh and Aldridge are actually pretty decent defenders in their own rights, so it's not like the Spurs would have a sieve at that spot. But the offensive upside is necessary, in my mind. I simply don't think Parker and Leonard can carry the offense to a le without at least another accomplished scorer next to them.

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    Brook Lopez has also a nice offensive game and a player option in 2015 but there's some health concerns with him.

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    i expect patty to cost around 8 per year and people are making plans with green costing 5... Obviously people think the other teams will let us resign our young studs for peanuts and overpay their locker room cancers forever.. Let me say this: if we win the le, double up every salary for every player under 30 that is going toward free agency.

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    Brook Lopez has also a nice offensive game and a player option in 2015 but there's some health concerns with him.
    He's pretty much Al Jefferson 2.0. While I think (if healthy) he'd be a better get than Gasol, I still don't think he'd be what the Spurs would need. Lopez needs to be next to an Ibaka-like defensive big. Splitter-like defensive bigs are best suited to more mobile offensive PFs like the ones I've listed so they don't mess up spacing.

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    Free agency is a pipe dream what big time player is going to want to come to San Antonio and play with who? The only way we win again is the same way and that is through the draft and signing good role players.
    word.

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    Please list every single NBA point guard in this league at present who is capable of guarding Westbrook. Thanks.
    look you're one of the three guys that were hyping belinelli's d, so i have 0 interest to talk D with you.

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    i expect patty to cost around 8 per year and people are making plans with green costing 5... Obviously people think the other teams will let us resign our young studs for peanuts and overpay their locker room cancers forever.. Let me say this: if we win the le, double up every salary for every player under 30 that is going toward free agency.
    If someone offers Patty $8m/yr, then wave goodbye. You can't commit that much of the cap to a backup point guard. If he gets that offer I'll be ecstatic for him, but he isn't worth anything near that number. Jeff Teague and Jrue Holiday are getting that kind of money and are far better players.

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    If someone offers Patty $8m/yr, then wave goodbye. You can't commit that much of the cap to a backup point guard. If he gets that offer I'll be ecstatic for him, but he isn't worth anything near that number. Jeff Teague and Jrue Holiday are getting that kind of money and are far better players.
    if a team signs him, it's because they view him as a starter, that much is clear.

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    i expect patty to cost around 8 per year
    Would you be interested in making a wager on the amount of Patty's next contract?

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    look you're one of the three guys that were hyping belinelli's d, so i have 0 interest to talk D with you.
    Please list every single NBA point guard in this league at present who is capable of guarding Westbrook. Thanks.

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