Kawhi > Sean ?

[T Park]

Leonard definitely has the potential to be better than Elliott. People forget, though, that Elliott did probably the best job in the NBA of containing Jordan in his prime when the Bulls came to town but he had to give it up 100% on the defensive end. Being a stopper on LeBron and still ripping him a new asshole on offense definitely gives KL cred.

Yeah, had his knees always been healthy and not been crap his entire career that couldve been different IMO.

[CosmicCowboy]

Yeah, had his knees always been healthy and not been crap his entire career that couldve been different IMO.

Having had knees myself and going through replacements now I can definitely relate.

[superbigtime]

ming was finished when he got to the Spurs. Kenon was much better.

Kenon was before my time, but no way was TC done. He kicked ass for SA. Always liked the dude.

[Knoxxx]

TC had like a 50-point game with the Spurs. He was like Duncan in several ways, a bit shorter but a very smart fundamental player that knew how to score and rarely jumped more than 6 inches off the ground.

[Knoxxx]

[QUOTE=baseline bum;7420818]If I had to pick a 12 man team it would be:

Your fatal error is Bowen over Leonard, that's absurd. Even Bowen over Sean is absurd. Bowen in the top 12 is probably also absurd.

I was tempted to put Manu over Ice Man, but seemed fitting to leave Ice there and have Manu in his familiar 6th man role. Nice call there.

[mudyez]

so what would be your changes?...

Top8:

C: D.Robinson
PF: T.Duncan
SF: K.Leonard
SG: G.Gervin
PG: T.Parker
BenchBig: A.Gilmore
BenchMedium: S.Elliott
BenchSmall: E.Ginobili

Specialists (don't have to be top players):

DefBig: D.Rodman
StretchBig: R.Horry
Stopper: B.Bowen
Shooter: S.Kerr
Playmaker: A.Johnson
Glueguy: P.Mills
Enforcer: S.Jackson

Coach: G.Popovich

[baseline bum]

so what would be your changes?...

Top8:

C: D.Robinson
PF: T.Duncan
SF: K.Leonard
SG: G.Gervin
PG: T.Parker
BenchBig: A.Gilmore
BenchMedium: S.Elliott
BenchSmall: E.Ginobili

Specialists (don't have to be top players):

DefBig: D.Rodman
StretchBig: R.Horry
Stopper: B.Bowen
Shooter: S.Kerr
Playmaker: A.Johnson
Glueguy: P.Mills
Enforcer: S.Jackson

Coach: G.Popovich

Rodman never played any defense in San Antonio, and getting him was a huge mistake since he went nuts when the Pistons fell apart.

[baseline bum]

Your fatal error is Bowen over Leonard, that's absurd. Even Bowen over Sean is absurd. Bowen in the top 12 is probably also absurd.

Bowen is far and away a better defensive player than either Leonard or Elliott, and that lineup has tons of scoring.

[DarrinS]

Rodman never played any defense in San Antonio, and getting him was a huge mistake since he went nuts when the Pistons fell apart.

I hated when Rodman was here (along with his boyfriend, Haley)

[Harry Callahan]

Mike Mitc (RIP) and Larry Kenon were excellent players. I'm not sure they could defend well enough for the current coach.

Leonard is going to bring some nasty to Miami tomorrow. He'll be a good one for awhile.

[scanry]

Kawhi is a flat out stud and a winner. Sean is a role player. nough said.

[Harry Callahan]

If you put prime Bowen out there on this current Spurs team it would be a little unfair to the opponents.

[baseline bum]

Sean shut down many a wing.

Watched in person my own self when hed guard Jordan.

Do you attribute the Spurs consistently beating the Bulls from 89-93 to Elliott? I give it more to Robinson's rim protection, as Jordan played a game a lot like prime Wade based on penetration in those days. Once he developed a killer jumpshot in 95 he never lost another game to the Spurs.

[baseline bum]

Kawhi is a flat out stud and a winner. Sean is a role player. nough said.

How long have you been watching the Spurs? Elliott was a of a defensive player, and had a monster first step. Dude was unguardable on the baseline and hit what is at worst the second biggest shot in franchise history after carrying the Spurs through that entire game against Portland.

[mudyez]

I hated when Rodman was here (along with his boyfriend, Haley)

Hate it, but still have to say, Rodman is a major reason I'm a Spurs fan.

Not that i liked him (I really did not!). But with his colored hair and habits, german TV chose to air a lot of Spurs games. They were showing about 3 games a week (one of them live) and nearly every week (or at least it feels that way) the Spurs were on. Loved the Admiral, really liked Sean... even liked to see a white italian player at 2guard.

[Jimcs50]

Gervin is a 2 guard not a small forward. No way could Manu hold Gervin's jock. Gervin would be a 25 to 30 pt scorer in the league today. Give him teammates like Duncan and David Robinson he might score more with all the open looks he would get.

It's hard to take Leonard at this point over Elliott, but he is the real deal, he is beginning to remind me of a young Scottie Pippen. If he continues to improve, I could see him being the cornerstone of this franchise and yes, way better than Elliott

With the no hand checking rules today, Ice would have averaged 35/ game easily

[superbigtime]

How long have you been watching the Spurs? Elliott was a of a defensive player, and had a monster first step. Dude was unguardable on the baseline and hit what is at worst the second biggest shot in franchise history after carrying the Spurs through that entire game against Portland.

[scanry]

How long have you been watching the Spurs? Elliott was a of a defensive player, and had a monster first step. Dude was unguardable on the baseline and hit what is at worst the second biggest shot in franchise history after carrying the Spurs through that entire game against Portland.

I'm not trying to dismiss Sean but i've watched him enough to compare the two. His footwork wasn't great and couldn't move his feet fast enough to stay in front of players.

[DarrinS]

I'm not trying to dismiss Sean but i've watched him enough to compare the two. His footwork wasn't great and couldn't move his feet fast enough to stay in front of players.

What?

[xmas1997]

Sean Elliott in his prime was as good as Bowen defensively, but could also drop 20 points a night on you.

You people have zero memories before 2005.

This is indisputably true. Some forget the Memorial Day Miracle.
Sugar K has a long long way to go to ever displace the Ninja.
Surprised this was even brought up for discussion tbqh.

[T Park]

Do you attribute the Spurs consistently beating the Bulls from 89-93 to Elliott? I give it more to Robinson's rim protection, as Jordan played a game a lot like prime Wade based on penetration in those days. Once he developed a killer jumpshot in 95 he never lost another game to the Spurs.

Robinson was a big reason, but Sean could flat out guard man.

If his knees were good, he would've been at least a 5 or 6 time all star.

[therealtruth]

If you put prime Bowen out there on this current Spurs team it would be a little unfair to the opponents.

Bowen would be two one dimensional for us now. We need wings who can score and create transition opportunities.

[xmas1997]

I can't believe anyone who has watched the Spurs over the years would even consider this.
It is ridiculous tbqh.
Who is making some of these preposterous threads today?
Oh, I forgot, there is a full moon outside bringing all the crazies out today.

[baseline bum]

Bowen would be two one dimensional for us now. We need wings who can score and create transition opportunities.

Bowen forcing his man to shoot lots of contested 20 footers would create plenty of transition opportunities.

[CGD]

Love Sean, but he was pretty soft until 1999