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Are you just judging Durant being better than Dirk because he scores more? At this point, Durant at his best as bounced by Lebron in five games in the Finals. You should even give credit Dirk more for winning a le at 33 while Durant had a better and more talented supporting cast in 2012 but failed miserably. Until Durant rings and carries his team to the championship like Dirk did., he should never be mentioned in the same sentence as Dirk.
The goods.
the clown in the yellow shirt, shouldnt he have only 2.5rings and even with 2.5rings its questionable whether he was really robin role
When you put the trophies..together....you realize how good Jordan was. Yeesh.
ppl give those players pre90s for playing 1 less round to reach the finals, but what happens when u play in a era where u get 2 rounds of cakewalk b4 even being challenge?
Laker fans here love to talk about the old time glory of the Lakers, when all it does is show just how much more of an impact Duncan has had than Kobe
-Kobe joined the NBA, began his career with Shaq on a franchise that had shown it can put together le teams... a franchise that already had 11 les. and his team only started winning when they hired the GOAT coach. he ended up playing on 5 championship teams, and we can all assume he's done competing for chips
-Duncan joined the NBA, started his career with an already past his prime Robinson coming off major injuries, and assumed the lead dog role from day one... on a franchise that had never even made an NBA finals, and with a coach that had no previous success. he has so far played on 5 championship teams, and is probably going to be battling for more.
the magnitude to which Duncan changed the Spurs franchise is nearly unparalleled. If the Lakers never got Kobe, it probably just means they would have kept Shaq for a bit longer, and would in all likelihood still won a le, and possibly more depending on who they acquired next to shaq
This here is a Truth Nuke.Laker fans here love to talk about the old time glory of the Lakers, when all it does is show just how much more of an impact Duncan has had than Kobe
-Kobe joined the NBA, began his career with Shaq on a franchise that had shown it can put together le teams... a franchise that already had 11 les. and his team only started winning when they hired the GOAT coach. he ended up playing on 5 championship teams, and we can all assume he's done competing for chips
-Duncan joined the NBA, started his career with an already past his prime Robinson coming off major injuries, and assumed the lead dog role from day one... on a franchise that had never even made an NBA finals, and with a coach that had no previous success. he has so far played on 5 championship teams, and is probably going to be battling for more.
the magnitude to which Duncan changed the Spurs franchise is nearly unparalleled. If the Lakers never got Kobe, it probably just means they would have kept Shaq for a bit longer, and would in all likelihood still won a le, and possibly more depending on who they acquired next to shaq
No. Durant is also better playmaker and defender, while scoring more efficiently than Dirk. The PPG is just icing on the cake. We aren't talking about a volume scorer. We're talking about a very deadly scorer like Reggie Miller only does it in even much larger doses per game. Dirk is a better rebounder (Durant is still too weak), and a similarly good (but lesser) scorer, but falls short almost everywhere else.
It took Dirk 13 years to win a le, and he clearly is not winning another. Durant is 25 and has only played 5 years. He hasn't even peaked yet and is already putting up better numbers than peak Dirk. Btw, 2012 Durant playoff stats are superior to Dirk's great 2011 playoff stats too. It just didn't end in a win since Superfriends had peaked right then. OKC should not have gotten past SA either tbh. Not sure why making the Finals but losing in a year he shouldn't have even made it there while putting up massive numbers at 23 years old is somehow a negative against him.
Unless Durant gets injured or never wins, he is surpassing Dirk. It's just a matter of time. I respect and like Dirk, but Durant is a majorly special player who will absolutely be remembered well after he retires. He has tons of time to win too.
at the assumption that Dirk is better than Durant. That's absolutely ridiculous.
Dirk is a great player and surely a HOFer, but to think he is better than what Durant is and what he will be is sheer ignorance.
How so?
Dirk is a great player and surely a HOFer, but to think he is better than what Durant is and what he will be is sheer ignorance.
Dirk is a better defender, rebounder, passer, leader and has a better court vision as proved by the ball movement of the Mavs in '11. You could say that Durant is better at scoring but that's even debatable.
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Miami Heat.
Dirk had one stand out moment in 2011 (aside from his MVP year of 2007) in his journey to the le, but it's a little ignorant to think that Durant won't have multiple les by the time his career ends. He won't have as many as LeBron will but he'll end up with at least a few, based on his talent and willingness to be a teammate.
KD has yet to prove that.
As of now, you know it.
I'll take it back and admit that Dirk is superior once we see how a few more years of Durant's career is going, but OKC's faults are seldom the blame on Durant and are rather due to weak coaching, a poor bench, and a lack of chemistry between Westbrook and KD.
As of now, le win aside, I would take a prime Durant on my team instead of a prime Dirk.
In terms of career accomplishments, it's Duncan and it's not even close.
Shaq used to have an argument back around 2010 or so, but Duncan's resurgence, playing the defensive anchor role for a two time NBA finalist (and 1 time champion) since has all but cemented Duncan as the greatest individual since Jordan.
Lebron has a great case, but him bolting the Cavs to join a super team in order to ring puts a dent in his legacy. However, hard to argue with his MVPs and Finals MVPs.
In terms of team accomplishments, you can make a case of Spurs vs. Lakers as the Lakers did make one more finals in that time frame, but also missed the playoffs in another year.
Dirk over Durbeta any day of the week for me. Durant has more natural talent, but Dirk has a higher b-ball IQ and is actually more unguardable when he gets it going.
Case in point:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...F.html#DAL-OKC
he doesnt need to prove , when every fan doesnt buy into his , with the way nba has shoved him down our throats like his the 2nd coming to challenge anyone
dude relies so much on refs that nobody respects his game...
prime dirk never avg the amount of freebies this clown get
We're on the same side, just telling the dudes who prefer Durant over Dirk right now.
Durbeta is just an overhyped Kevin Martin with inflated stats due to how he's reffed in the regular season.... Dirk >>>>> Durbeta
I have no problem with a case being made here. Just like I had no problem (obviously) when the case was made for Kobe after the back2back.
I always saw them as "close" but if these back to back finals with a win pushes Duncan ahead I dont see the big argument.
Only on here and LG is it such a divide between the two best players of this era (Lebron is a bit younger so not in this convo yet).
No issue. But I think again it's the nature to favor what is present and recent. But when the dust settles it will still be close and if Duncan is ahead, that is no slight or knock on Kobe or Tim.Duncan is a great player and to be compared to Timmy even if he falls short is a compliment to both players tbh.
Yall need to stop with the bull . No harm in Duncan being greater nor was it a travesty though may have been wrong when many thought it was Kobe.
Kobe vs Duncan is a pointless argument because they are different players, different skills, different positions. You can argue who had a greater career, but not who was a better player.
I'll be a billionaire in 5 years. Both propositions are just as easy to prove.
Sure you can. Kobe never made a teammate better. Kobe never did anything for anyone except Kobe. He ran off his best help and his coach called him uncoachable and meant it. So yeah, what makes a player a great player isn't how many points he scored while stat padding against Toronto.
Well hopefully you don't live long enough to see that day.
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