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  1. 06-19-2014 #251
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    Quote Originally Posted by timtonymanu
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    They did get Lamb and Adams out of the deal,.... but man that's just awful. Makes Birds recent dealing seem like Buffords.

    Traded Harden to the benign Rockets and the following year they lured Howard. Now they have the centerpieces in place to challenge the Thunder.
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    At least OKC got future HOF steven adams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solid D
    Harden and Martin are both extremely adept at getting to the line and both provide scoring energy. Harden is clearly a better defender.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vander
    thanks Presti
    Thank Clay Bennett. He's the tightwad that refused to pay the tax. Presti just works for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spursparker9
    At least OKC got future HOF steven adams.
    Can't wait for Duncan to introduce him and talk about the glorious battles they've had.
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    Like Mel said, it was very surprising to see so many think OKC (basketball wise) did well. The biggest assets they got (the picks) haven't amounted to much as it's much harder drafting when you don't have awesome clear cut picks (although they get credit for WB and Harden as those weren't completely "no brainers").
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    Quote Originally Posted by exstatic
    Thank Clay Bennett. He's the tightwad that refused to pay the tax. Presti just works for him.
    And Clay's just his grandpa Gaylords' puppet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPG21920
    Like Mel said, it was very surprising to see so many think OKC (basketball wise) did well. The biggest assets they got (the picks) haven't amounted to much as it's much harder drafting when you don't have awesome clear cut picks (although they get credit for WB and Harden as those weren't completely "no brainers").
    Although he never played in Seattle WB was drafted when the team was still there. Not sure who was giving Bennett advice on drafting then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strategic
    Although he never played in Seattle WB was drafted when the team was still there. Not sure who was giving Bennett advice on drafting then.
    Uh, Presti...
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    Over their careers, Harden is a better defender than Kevin Martin.

    Defensive efficiency rating (Pts allowed per 100 possessions) Harden 106 Martin 110
    Steals % Harden 2.1 Martin 1.6
    Defensive Rebounding % Harden 11.6 Martin 10.0
    Block % Harden 0.8 Martin 0.3
    Defensive Win Shares* Harden 12.0 Martin 11.6

    *Defensive Win Shares; an estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player due to his defense.

    James Harden stats http://http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXmXXmartike02.html&t=4

    Kevin Martin stats http:////m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXmXXmartike02.html&t=4
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    Here are Harden's and Martin's rankings among NBA Shooting Guards in 2013-14:

    Harden Martin
    1st.........5th in Free-throws attempts Top Shooting-Guards in Free-throws attempts
    1st.........3rd in Free-throws made Top Shooting-Guards in Free-throws made
    1st.........3rd in Points Top Shooting-Guards in Scoring
    1st.........9th in Efficiency recap Top Shooting-Guards in Efficiency recap
    1st.........16th in 3-point attempts Top Shooting-Guards in 3-point attempts
    1st.........30th in Assists Top Shooting-Guards in Assists
    2nd........24th in Defensive Rebounds Top Shooting-Guards in Defensive Rebounds
    2nd..........6th in Field-goals attempts Top Shooting-Guards in Field-goals attempts
    2nd........23rd in Rebounds Top Shooting-Guards in Rebounds
    3rd..........7th in Field-goals made Top Shooting-Guards in Field-goals made
    4th.........16th in Steals Top Shooting-Guards in Steals
    5th.........14th in 3-point made Top Shooting-Guards in 3-point made
    7th.........46th in Blocks Top Shooting-Guards in Blocks
    7th.........21st in Offensive Rebounds Top Shooting-Guards in Offensive Rebounds
    8th.........5th in Free-throws percentage Top Shooting-Guards in Free-throws percentage
    10th..........29th in Fouls Top Shooting-Guards in Fouls
    12th...........27th in Field-goals percentage Top Shooting-Guards in Field-goals percentage
    24th.........15th in 3-point percentage Top Shooting-Guards in 3-point percentage

    (Stats from Hoopsstats.com)
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    Not trying to defend Martin or Harden because both are terrible defensively. The main problem with Harden is that not only he is horrible, but he doesn't even try.He is careless and lazy. He has much better physical tools, he is stronger and more athletic than Martin.

    I mean, look at this : Can you imagine Pop coaching this?



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    Quote Originally Posted by elemento
    Not trying to defend Martin or Harden because both are terrible defensively. The main problem with Harden is that not only he is horrible, but he doesn't even try.He is careless and lazy. He has much better physical tools, he is stronger and more athletic than Martin.

    I mean, look at this : Can you imagine Pop coaching this?



    Yes, I've seen those video clips at least twice before. Harden is far from being a Kawhi Leonard or a Paul George, who are wing players ...both with Defensive Efficiency ratings of 99 (pts/100 poss). However, he has gotten much less attentive to defensive assignments in Houston. That doesn't mean he doesn't make defensive plays.

    The point remains, whether 2012 or 2014, Harden is a better defender than Kevin Martin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPG21920
    Like Mel said, it was very surprising to see so many think OKC (basketball wise) did well. The biggest assets they got (the picks) haven't amounted to much as it's much harder drafting when you don't have awesome clear cut picks (although they get credit for WB and Harden as those weren't completely "no brainers").
    Both Reggie and Ibaka were 24th picks in the draft.

    Presti has done a of a job drafting the right players. Its just too bad he works for a cheapskate. If I was the owner, I would have amnesty Perkins and bit the 18 mil he was owed over this and next season to keep Harden. Certainly helped the Spurs to get back on top again.
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    I wasn't trying to imply they were horrible at drafting, just that late picks are much more difficult to pan out as stars.They have done a very good job with their picks overall, especially The formally big 4.
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