Maybe they're stockpiling for the changeover when Tim and Manu leave?
We didn't seem to miss having a backup 3. I think the Spurs now dictate the matchups, not the other team.
Isn't putting the future players one by one in the roster better than bringing them all at once after the big 3 era? It gives them time to groove within the system and an opportunity to play and be coached by 4 hof'ers and it's goig to be risky to bring them all at once and expect for them to already deliver, that will make us a bottom feeder.
As for the sf spot well I guess you dont fix what's not broken since the team really looked perfect in the finals.
There's no way he's available at 30, but he may fall just far enough for us to trade up for him. That is the best outcome of this draft.
I really don't want any of those guys, and I don't think we need a SF. We already have projects in Daye, LJC, and Bertans. All we need is one of them to be healthy enough for spot minutes.
I'd be happy if we went all big men in the draft:
Trade up for Clint Capela or stay put at 30 for Nikola Jokic or Walter Tavares
Take Khem Birch and Isaiah Austin in the 2nd round
Last edited by stnick2261; 06-20-2014 at 09:38 AM.
I like the idea of the Spurs drafting Walter Tavares, but not as a draft-and-stash candidate, but rather, as someone who can come aboard immediately.
Even though Tavares is already 22, he only started playing basketball at the age of 17, so there's plenty of room to develop him. And what better place to develop players than in Pop's system in San Antonio?
Tavares is a mobile 7"3 big man with a mammoth wingspan and hands that are even bigger than Kawhi's. His defensive potential is sky high. I'd certainly rather see him taking spot big man minutes next season than Errors.
His standing reach is freaking ridiculous. Teach this man the sky hook and call it a day.
I am beginning to like Tavares too, but do the Spurs really need a C?
I think they may want a PF more, and maybe even a SF back up for Leonard like say Glenn Robinson III.
At this point, they have to be planning on a post-duncan team, so it shouldn't matter PF or C. Splitter is good, but the rest of our big men are getting older, or just not good enough. We have plenty of room for growth at PF or C.
Spurs didn't miss it but it'd be nice to have one in case of another game 2 scenario where Green and Kawhi get in foul trouble. Trotting out Marco that night was a disaster. And we only played him because we had no one else available on the bench.
There's also the matter of playing time. Unless the Spurs can trade up into the teens the draftee won't play. You've just wasted a year paying a player you couldn't evaluate in game conditions.
Glen Robinsons III-20 Years old- SF-6'6 3/4 (with shoes) -6'10 wing span-41.5 max vert
Comparison-Trevor Ariza
Strengths:
Tremendously athletic small forward who plays with a lot of energy … A great above-the-rim offensive player, Robinson is on the receiving end of many a lob pass … Ambidextrous. Can drive either direction with either hand ... Finishes strong at the basket, as well ... Good NBA body, standing 6'6" with a solid frame and a 6'9" wingspan ... Good at probing the defense for holes and finding a driving lane to the basket ... Runs the floor well and can be a terror in transition ... Good lateral quickness and long arms makes him a solid perimeter defender ...
Attacks the offensive glass and scores on a number of putbacks and second-chance tip-ins ... Has great defensive instincts which, along with his long arms, allow him to jump the passing lane and take the ball the other way for an easy finish ... Solid shooter from midrange. Shot 49% overall, which is a testament to his efficiency and patience on offense
Weakness-
Decent, but not great outside shooter ... Needs to gain consistency to shoot from behind the arc at an NBA level ... Doesn't always get his feet set when shooting from distance ... Shot 31% from 3 this season. An unexpectedly low number considering his shooting ability ... Robinson is still maturing as a player. He's only 20 years old and often has the mental lapses or losses of concentration that come with that ...
For being such a tenacious offensive rebounder, Robinson doesn't exert the same effort on the defensive glass. Averaged only 3 defensive boards per game this season ... Often needs others to set him up to score … Should look to tighten loose handle. Needs to protect the ball better when it's in his hands ... Can often get overmatched and bullied by bigger forwards
NBA Draft Net-21st
Draft Xpress-32nd pick, 2nd round
CBS Sports-30th, 33rd 49th
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Spencer Dinwiddie-21 years old-PG/SG-6'5 1/2 (with shoes) 6'8 1/4 wingspan-N/A Max Vert
Comparison-Brian Shaw
Strengths-
Dinwiddie is a dual offensive threat, who averaged 18.9 points and 4.1 assists per 40 minutes over his last two seasons at Colorado … Dangerous in transition – glides down the floor and slithers his way to the basket … Smooth. Good body control and great touch on his floaters … Uses nifty hop and Euro steps to get to the rim… Draws a bunch of fouls, averaging 9 FTA per 40 over his last two seasons at CU … Excellent free-throw shooter, making better than 81 percent of his attempts. Solid three-point shooter, making more than 41 percent of his attempts.
Very effective scoring and finding open perimeter shooters when driving off the pick and roll … Tallest player classified as a point guard at the combine – his height allows him to shoot unimpeded and easily find open teammates … Makes crisp interior passes … Good off-the-ball defense – denies very well … Fast – gets down the floor quickly and can stick with talented scorers.
Weakness-
Scouts often wonder why his level of intensity is not at the same level at all time. Should look to be a little more selfish (assertive). Has standout ability but doesn't always take it upon himself to be the star that he should be ... Still recovering from a torn ACL that he suffered in January … Questionable whether he is a true point guard or more a combo though excels in ball handling and passing … Slender build – bounces off stronger players on both ends of the floor …
Avoids contact when driving – prefers to pull up or pass out rather than go all the way to the hole … Limited dribble moves … Doesn’t show much ability to create his own shot, frequently relying of screens to get open … Too dependent on his right hand – shoots with his right on drives to the left side of the rim… Easily picked off by screens on the defensive side of the ball, which is seemingly due to a combination of a lack of awareness and strength .
NBA Draft Net-33rd, 2nd round
Draft Xpress-40th
CBS Sports-30th, 51st, 57th
*according the sites (CBS sports has 3 different analyst) his draft range falls in between our 30th pick and our 58th and 60th picks.
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Jarnell Stokes-22 Years Old-PF-6'9 (in shoes) 7'1 1/4 wingspan
Comparison: Dejuan Blair
Strengths- : Stokes is a powerful power forward who is a load to stop on the low block … Great at establishing position around the basket, which is reflected by his 53% shooting from the field this past season … Great rebounder for his size; averaged 10.6 RPG last season
… Plays with a high motor and crashes the boards/boxes out tenaciously … Plays with a high IQ and has a good team-first at ude for a guy trying to make it in the league … Great touch around the rim. Very efficient finisher in the post …Very difficult player to back down in the post … Averaged over 6 free throw attempts per game this season, he connected at a rate of 70% …
Recorded 22 double-doubles this year … Gets up and down the floor quickly in transition …Decent jumper from out to mid-range … With a 7'1" wingspan, Stokes has fantastic length … Good at using a few quick dribbles to get around his man in the paint …
Weaknesses: Undersized from a height standpoint for an NBA post player, although this can be alleviated some by his wingspan, strength and motor. Will struggle to defend face-up 4's on the perimeter due to his below-average lateral quickness…Somewhat limited offensive game, but he does contribute a lot in other areas
Overall: Stokes is a powerful and well-built power forward who has the maturity and the skill set to contribute as a role player right away for an NBA team. He's a skilled post scorer and a tenacious rebounder and could get a look in the late first round…
NBA Draft Net-47th
Draft Xpress-26th
CBS Sports- 28th, 30th, 37th
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Walter Taveres-C-22 Years Old-7'3-7'9 Wingspan
Strengths- Standing 7-3, with an astonishing wingspan of 7-9 he has tremendous size, combined with excellent mobility for a big man with his dimensions ... He’s always active on the floor, showing great progresses from a conditioning standpoint, compared to when he arrived on the Canary Islands ... Offensively he’s really effective in pick and roll situations, showing the ability to finish above the rim after the cut with aggressiveness, furthermore his mobility and coordination make him an effective contributor in creating space for his teammates with solid screens.
Most of his offensive repertoire is based on dunks and put backs after an offensive rebound, but he has shown significant improvements on his hook shot using his right hand ... He has a soft touch and he’s a solid free throw shooter ... Defensively he’s a great pick and roll defender, being able to recover in the painted area after helping on the screen ... Plus with his great size and wingspan he’s definitely a great rim protector.
Weakness-He lacks explosiveness and elite athleticism, furthermore as per all the big man of comparable size, the physical and muscular improvement must be developed carefully, in order to avoid back and structural problems ... Offensively he’s still rather raw, he lacks post moves and struggles to effectively take position in the painted area ...
Furthermore his lack of solid ball handling skills makes it difficult for him to create his own shot, often relying on offensive rebounds and assists from teammates ... Despite his size he’s not yet an elite rebounder, he jumps on shot fakes too often, committing unnecessary fouls ...
NBA Draft Net-40th
Draft Xpress-31st
CBS Sports-33rd, 39th 44th
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Bogdan Bogdanovic-21-(Serbian)- SG- 6'8 1/4- 6'11 wing span-35.8 Max Vert
Strengths-
solid structure and athletic abilities he can definitely adapt his game to the NBA level, with the potential to defend both on guards and small forwards ... He possesses natural game comprehension and poise which allows him to play the role of offensive facilitator and game distributor (4 assists of average thus far) ... During this season he started playing as a secondary ball handler, forced to play as a point guard, showing remarkable passing skills and court vision, even if he's not perfectly suited for the role ...
He has a slashing style of game, and with his solid structure he’s really effective in drawing contacts when attacking the basket or posting up other backcourt players, exploiting his size and physical strength ... This combined with his instincts allow him to also be a reliable rebounder and a consistent defensive presence ... On the defensive side he shows great at ude and quick hands, with the ability to put a concrete pressure on his opponent especially in 1vs.1 situations … He’s also effective in the passing lanes, with almost 2 steals per game.
Weakness-
He lacks elite explosiveness, especially when he has the ball in his hands, which limits his ability to create his own shot from the dribble in ISO situations … Lacks a quick first step, needs screens and off the ball game to create space to beat his defender ... He’s still stuck in the middle of two roles, since he lacks elite playmaking skills, as well as remarkable scoring instincts, and this could limit his NBA appeal ...
Solid ball handler but his decision making is affected when forced to play against press defense ... His shot is still not consistent yet, especially his pull up jumper in pick and roll situations, he’s a streaky shooter and he could encounter scoring slumps ... He’s not the kind of player that's able to change the rhythm of the game coming off the bench lacks lateral quickness on D.
NBA Draft Net-30th
Draft Xpress-35th
CBS Sports-34th, 35th 38th
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Cory Jefferson-PF-24 years old-6'8 3/4 - 7'0 1/2 wing span-37.5 Max Vert-(From Texas played at Baylor)
Strengths-
Jefferson is a wiry strong PF prospect with high level run-jump athleticism…Looks the part, is 6’9 and has a great frame to possibly add as much as 10-15 lbs without losing his athleticism … Shows real good explosiveness as a leaper, able to elevate suddenly when stationary … Good length, an added bonus to his leaping ability … Can finish with authority around the basket, and will get his fair share of dunks … Looks good in the pick and roll game especially, and is capable of finishing inside …
Pretty active and plays with good energy … Looks more and more comfortable facing up and making mid-range shots, able to hit shots most consistently from 15-17 ft … Effective with basic post moves that allows him to utilize his length and athleticism, namely his right hand jump hook and drop-step …Shows good hands … Physical, willing to get wide and set screens that allow guards plenty of room to slash and kick out to him for jumpers or finishes around the rim … A late bloomer, added new wrinkles to his game every season
Weakness-
Needs to continue to add polish to his offensive game, not the most skilled player and can struggle when things aren’t kept simple for him … Doesn’t look to do much with his left hand, and can be a fairly easy matchup at times because he offers little variations of moves on the low post … Though he developed his jump shot nicely in college, he can’t be considered a consistent shooter yet … Expanded his range to the college 3 as a Sr., but isn’t going to be much (if at all) of a threat from that range in the NBA
NBA Draft Net-58th
Draft Xpress-Undrafted
CBS Sports-48th, 56th, Undrafted
Added 6 more prospects that have been listed in recent mocks to be possible draftees by the Spurs quite a few of big men. Taveres and Austin are freakishly tall Cs that are likely to go somewhere in the second round.
Issah Austin-C-(From Texas played at Baylor)-20 Years Old-7'0 1/2- 7'4 1/2 wing span-
9' 4 1/2 standing reach 29.5 Max Vert
Comparison-Alexis Ajinca
Strengths-Austin is a stretch 4 with excellent outside shooting for Pick and Pop and his very nice touch with both hands around the rim ... He is essentially a big man who likes to play outside ... His feet are quick and his lateral quickness is good for a big, long player like him and it allows him to be very aggressive in defense on P&R and contain PGs on switches thanks to his great size ... His greatest asset offensively right now is the ability to finish on both blocks turning over both shoulders, however he would get the best out of his career if he can improve his outside shooting percentages ...
Last year he shot barely 30% on spot up/catch and shoot and under 30% form the 3pts arc ... Playing a role similar to Pero Antic with the Hawks would appear to be within his reach ... In defense he also shows a solid IQ and understanding of the game, with great reads on help side, which in addition to his height makes him disruptive ... He is not a rim protector because of lack of strength but he is an underrated athlete who can get off the floor quickly,
Weakness- Body strength is a major concern: particularly offensively because he will struggle to catch the ball in desirable deep areas with greater chances of converting ... It seems unlikely that he could ever be a force in the paint where he has struggled a lot in college to hold position and get deep touches in the post ...
Should improve his mid-range and face up game ... Defensively he may struggle against stronger opponents around the basket ... It is a priority for him to find rhythm in his jumper and become a great pick and pop guy, and punish defense on top-down plays ... I would like to see him more aggressive on the offensive end where many times he just seems to be too passive ... A big area of concern is the really low rebound rate, partially due to the fact that he contested so many shots making it hard for him to get back in the mix for the rebounds.
NBA Draft Net-30th
Draft Xpress-Undrafted
CBS Sports-36th, 45th, Undrafted
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Thanks for the additions, man. Out of this new crop Dinwiddie and Bodganovic are much two favorite. (You can guess which positions I'm leaning toward.) The list for me probably goes, Tarvares, Austin, Stokes and Robinson III from there.
My initial hope for this draft was for the Spurs to take a SF. I wouldn't expect them to be major contributors but in case Leonard or Manu goes down, there wouldn't be as much shuffling. Pop could plug in a SF into the starting lineup for front loaded minutes each half instead of Beli at the 2 and Green at the 3 to start.
I'm kind of liking the idea of drafting a big. Tarvares seems like a great prospect as a second round pick. Won't fall to the Spurs in the late 50's but maybe the Spurs could make a move to grab him.
Not sure any could make it to the roster for next season. Not sold on Baynes and Ayers improving enough to be a consistent fourth big. If the Spurs take Austin (7'1 with some range) in the late second round, its worth noting he is only 20 (turns 21 in October).
Can't teach height and still fairly new to basketball. 7'3 and 7'9 wingspan, athletic and mobile to boot.
maybe a future unprotected 2nd rounder and cash for a pick near the middle of the 2nd round. Plenty of nice prospects there. More than a few would be 1st rounders in other drafts.
What is your full take on Denmon? You seem pretty high on him. But last season all I remember is most people thinking he'd never make it.
Before EuroBasket made their stats paid-viewers only, I saw Denmon was having a pretty strong year in Turkey. So I have hope that he can be a good player in the NBA some day.
As far as why I like him, I loved the intangibles he showed in the summer league last year. In the Cavs game, he kept willing the Spurs back while Thomas and Joseph wilted. He's always been a good scorer/shooter. His problem is that he had limited athleticism and more limited PG skill. But he has strong defensive fundamentals, so he projects to be a better defender than Mills is now, for example. He doesn't have Patty's speed or quickness, but he does have better size and is more comfortable driving. I think Denmon would make a fine 13th man/hustle player in the same role Mills had two years ago.
FORT WAYNE, Ind. (WANE) – After being selected by the San Antonio Spurs in the second round of last summer’s NBA draft Bishop Luers graduate Deshaun Thomas spent his first professional season overseas, suiting up for JSF Nanterre just outside of Paris.
Thomas led Nanterre in scoring at 12 points per game and helped guide the franchise to its first French Cup championship.
Spurs assistant general manager Scott Layden made multiple trips to Europe to see Thomas play and was impressed with the defensive improvement he saw.
The Spurs hold Thomas’ right through this summer’s draft. Thomas is expecting to play for the Spurs summer league team – the team he led in scoring last summer at 12.4 points a game.
This year's draft is legitimate garbage. There is no player in this draft who can carry an NCAA team, let alone change an NBA team. It's been media hyped more than any other draft. It's sad because these are the ones we will be subjected to watch in the next 5 years....
trade. dude is soft and fat. His only thing going for him in college was a three pointer, and he only shoots 34% in France. terrible rebounder too. Bonner-esque
Really hope Daye develops during the summer into training camp. I see alot of potential in him than I did before we traded for him. He's got the tools to be an above average defender. Though he lacks some mobility for his size, I think he can become a valuable asset to our team off the bench next year. That is of course, if Bonner is gone.
I want a sf. Glen Robinson III looks like a good pick.
Also Glen Robinson said he models his game off Kawhi and Paul George. He's going to see a sf a couple years older than him that just won finals MVP busting his ass trying to get better. Seems like a great situation.
Just want an athletic sf that has with a stroke that spurs can make semi reliable.
yep. He's got to get stronger, and give any effort on defense (thanks AAU), but I agree. He's got a much higher ceiling than Bonner, and better than any other player that we are holding on to to develop.
PLEASE KEEP BAYNES
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