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    I like the idea of the Spurs drafting Walter Tavares, but not as a draft-and-stash candidate, but rather, as someone who can come aboard immediately.

    Even though Tavares is already 22, he only started playing basketball at the age of 17, so there's plenty of room to develop him. And what better place to develop players than in Pop's system in San Antonio?

    Tavares is a mobile 7"3 big man with a mammoth wingspan and hands that are even bigger than Kawhi's. His defensive potential is sky high. I'd certainly rather see him taking spot big man minutes next season than Errors.
    agree completely.
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    Any chance Big Dog 3 (Glenn Robinson III) falls to us at 30? He could make a very nice backup to Kawhi. He has a solid, not great game. He is not a head case and has shown to be a team player. Plus, from what I understand, Pop has a good relationship with his father.
    He'll likely be in that late first to early second mix, so the Spurs should have a shot at him. He brings some good tangibles such as athleticism, intelligence, upside. He also has those intangibles, like being team-first, solid work ethic, and having an NBA pedigree that make him intriguing. Obviously he has some flaws (jump shot, rebounding) or he would be available late, but of all the NCAA talent in the range (not including Anderson) I like him best.
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    For me get rid of Austin, Bonner, and Errors.

    Sign first round draft pick Bertrans

    Trade CoJo for Mill second round pick ad get Bogdan who can be third PG/SG

    Draft Nikola or Iglis in first round.
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    ^ I don't even.
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    I think whoever gets Elfrid Payton will get a good piece for the future. Really like this kid. One of my fav players in the entire draft.
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    I think whoever gets Elfrid Payton will get a good piece for the future. Really like this kid. One of my fav players in the entire draft.
    Yeah, I was hoping we could trade up and get him, but DX has him at like 12 now. I don't think we have anything but Kawhi that could put us in the lottery, and that's not happening. OTOH, Kawhi was rated anywhere from 3-8, and fell to 15 in 2011. Hope springs eternal.
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    Joel Embiid started playing basketball 4 years ago. Prior to his foot injury, he had been projected to be one of the top big men to come out of the draft in years.

    You're obviously uninformed. Thank God you're not an NBA GM.

    Yeah and his body is crumbling and is the next Greg Oden. Whatever cupcake.
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    Yeah and his body is crumbling and is the next Greg Oden. Whatever cupcake.
    Doesn't address his point at all...cupcake.
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    Fellas, enough with the name childish name calling......let's keep it clean. We are all Spurs fans right? Of course we won't all agree on roster moves and draft picks, but that is what makes it fun and exciting.
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    For me get rid of Austin, Bonner, and Errors.

    Sign first round draft pick Bertrans

    Trade CoJo for Mill second round pick ad get Bogdan who can be third PG/SG

    Draft Nikola or Iglis in first round.
    I had trouble following some of your post. I disagree wholeheartedly about getting rid of anyone, except James. I want to bring every piece back, even Bonner. That opens up 2 roster spots, I believe. So we need a legit backup for Leonard (Robinson III, possibly), and then an end of bench big for insurance (someone who passes well, rebounds ok, and is willing to try on defense).
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    SG KJ McDaniels Clemson is a very intriguing player. He is only 6'6, but he has nearly a 7' wingspan. He is also one of the top, if not the top, wing defender in the draft. He is an athletic freak who finishes strong. He has dramatically improved his FT shooting. He is still a bit raw and inconsistent with the rest of his offensive game. However, working with Chip could correct his flaws. Also, the Spurs have enough offense at the moment. Bring him on board for his defense first, then allow him to learn the offensive system and build his offensive game at a nice pace.

    In the mocks I have seen, and I have read a lot of them, he has gone from the late first to the early second in almost all of them.

    So right now, I would be very pleased to be able to get either Robinson III or McDaniels at 30.
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    Walter Tavares signs 3 year deal:

    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-...h-gran-canaria

    So anyone drafting this player is going to have to pay up for him if they want him quickly.
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    Walter Tavares signs 3 year deal:

    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-...h-gran-canaria

    So anyone drafting this player is going to have to pay up for him if they want him quickly.
    That could be a blessing in disguise. This 3 year deal probably causes him to slide in the draft. All the way to 58? Probably not. But it definitely increases that chance.
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    SG KJ McDaniels Clemson is a very intriguing player. He is only 6'6, but he has nearly a 7' wingspan. He is also one of the top, if not the top, wing defender in the draft. He is an athletic freak who finishes strong. He has dramatically improved his FT shooting. He is still a bit raw and inconsistent with the rest of his offensive game. However, working with Chip could correct his flaws. Also, the Spurs have enough offense at the moment. Bring him on board for his defense first, then allow him to learn the offensive system and build his offensive game at a nice pace.

    In the mocks I have seen, and I have read a lot of them, he has gone from the late first to the early second in almost all of them.

    So right now, I would be very pleased to be able to get either Robinson III or McDaniels at 30.
    In some games you could have him and Kawhi on the floor at the same time that would be a defense nightmare for teams.
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    I think anyone drafting Tavares was thinking "stash" anyway. I think this would only put off teams that don't usually use a first rounder for stashing. He could still go anywhere from our pick at 30 to our pick at 60. This might actually INCREASE the Spurs chances of taking him.
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    Yeah and his body is crumbling and is the next Greg Oden. Whatever cupcake.
    Red herring. Cupcake.
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    Posting some floor-ceiling evaluations for an espn article, either because I thought they're interesting or funny :

    Doug McDermott

    High end : Wally Szczerbiak. They are both tremendous shooters, and they were both questioned coming into the league due to their size and athleticism. Szczerbiak wound up averaging 14.1 points in a lengthy NBA career.

    Low end :
    Matt Bonner. At worst-case level, McDermott is a specialist like Bonner, who comes off the bench and buries shots for a team that goes deep in the postseason. But I'd be shocked if he weren't much closer to Szczerbiak than Bonner.
    Kyle Anderson

    High-end : Hedo Turkoglu. Both have size and can really pass the ball. Anderson will be more of a point forward in the NBA, while Hedo is a better athlete and came into the league as a far superior defender.

    Low end :
    Luke Walton. Anderson is an extremely unique player, but both he and Walton have similar size, athleticism and feel for the game.
    Jordan Adams

    High end : James Harden. Adams isn't as athletic as Harden, but he uses angles like the Rockets star, and he just has a knack for scoring. This is an extremely high-end comp.

    Low end :
    Wayne Ellington. He was picked at the end of the 2009 draft and has been a reserve for most of his career as a guy who can make shots. Adams has a more well-rounded offensive game.

    And here's imo a must read from Pelton like most of his stuff : http://bbs.hupu.com/9781791.html

    His WARP projection is kinda scary for Wiggins and even for one of my favorite in Payton who can't shoot inside or outside at this point... On the other hand Jordan Adams is loved by his metric... At this point I thought that if you looked for a 6th man, Anderson was THE guy to get (ball dominant guy who is a walking mismatch) but Adams could actually be a better choice, wouldn't mind having him steal Beli's minutes...

    Jokic and Capela are also mesuring extremely well as it has already been said... And I still think they made a promise to Jokic but I'm also hoping that they end up trading for an extra pick...

    Btw Pelton's WARP ranking is not his draft ranking, he has Exum number one for instance, he doesn't ignore the scouting side of the draft...

    Just checked out Jordan Adams' DX page and he said he was interviewed by the Spurs in his combine vid...
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    Posting some floor-ceiling evaluations for an espn article, either because I thought they're interesting or funny :








    And here's imo a must read from Pelton like most of his stuff : http://bbs.hupu.com/9781791.html

    His WARP projection is kinda scary for Wiggins and even for one of my favorite in Payton who can't shoot inside or outside at this point... On the other hand Jordan Adams is loved by his metric... At this point I thought that if you looked for a 6th man, Anderson was THE guy to get (ball dominant guy who is a walking mismatch) but Adams could actually be a better choice, wouldn't mind having him steal Beli's minutes...

    Jokic and Capela are also mesuring extremely well as it has already been said... And I still think they made a promise to Jokic but I'm also hoping that they end up trading for an extra pick...

    Btw Pelton's WARP ranking is not his draft ranking, he has Exum number one for instance, he doesn't ignore the scouting side of the draft...

    Just checked out Jordan Adams' DX page and he said he was interviewed by the Spurs in his combine vid...
    I'd still take Payton if I'm RC, if he doesn't cost too much to trade up for. He has to go to the right situation. A team with a crappy or non-existent developmental program won't get much out of him. I thought the comparisons to Lillard were ridiculous. Their games are nothing alike. The only thing they really have in common is attending a mid-major school.

    I think there will be some surprises in this draft. I heard that Napier got an invite to the green room, and he's been solidly projected in the 20s in most mocks.
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    I think the Spurs made a promise. I'm just not sure it's Jokic. It wouldn't surprise me at all if that were Presti. Almost every mock had them picking Porzingis with one of their first rounders, and when he pulled out, Jokic is the next best thing in that category of talented Euro bigs to stash, which I believe they will do with at least one of their picks for tax reasons. Englis also pulled out and then rescinded. He's much more in line with recent Spurs picks: French and very athletic.
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    I think the Spurs made a promise. I'm just not sure it's Jokic. It wouldn't surprise me at all if that were Presti. Almost every mock had them picking Porzingis with one of their first rounders, and when he pulled out, Jokic is the next best thing in that category of talented Euro bigs to stash, which I believe they will do with at least one of their picks for tax reasons. Englis also pulled out and then rescinded. He's much more in line with recent Spurs picks: French and very athletic.
    It's probably Inglis, with the French connection...but I agree the Spurs made a promise. GR3, Early, etc. all just backup options at this point.

    imo, tbqh, fwiw
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    If they pick Inglis it will be such an underwhelming draft for me... He's not that good and is just too similar to Livio...
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    It's probably Inglis, with the French connection...but I agree the Spurs made a promise. GR3, Early, etc. all just backup options at this point.

    imo, tbqh, fwiw
    I have a feeling they're trolling for another pick if it doesn't cost too much. Phoenix's #27 would likely be cheap, but it's only a couple of slots over ours.

    I'd love Chicago's #19.

    Jazz at #23 or Hornets at #24 could probably be had, as they are also extra picks.
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    I have a feeling they're trolling for another pick if it doesn't cost too much. Phoenix's #27 would likely be cheap, but it's only a couple of slots over ours.

    I'd love Chicago's #19.

    Jazz at #23 or Hornets at #24 could probably be had, as they are also extra picks.
    Yeah this is a pretty deep draft, so acquiring additional picks and strengthening at multiple positions makes some sense. I just wonder what or who it would cost them to acquire. No one is really expendable on the squad that's worth anything.
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    Yeah this is a pretty deep draft, so acquiring additional picks and strengthening at multiple positions makes some sense. I just wonder what or who it would cost them to acquire. No one is really expendable on the squad that's worth anything.
    If there is a player like Payton or Capela available and Chicago would give us #19 for Bertans and next year's 1st rounder, I'd trade him in a heartbeat.
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    If they pick Inglis it will be such an underwhelming draft for me... He's not that good and is just too similar to Livio...
    Indeed if that's all they do. If they end up getting an early second somehow and using that on Micic/Tavares/Bodganovic, I'd be very excited. I'd also be excited if someone unexpected falls to their second-rounders.

    This doesn't feel like 2011 at all, though. I can't see the Spurs making a move during the draft, as they don't have any cheap young players on expirings. Sure, they have Green, Ayres and Beli, but Danny isn't going anywhere, no one wants Ayres, and dealing Beli would kill chemistry.
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