Boris Diaw looking to get a 2 year $18-$20 contract with Spurs

[spurs1990]

If Splitter can get 10M/yr out of the PATFO... Why can't Boris

Again, what does the PATFO mean. I figure last part stands for front office.

[Robz4000]

Again, what does the PATFO mean. I figure last part stands for front office.

Pop and the Front Office

[tholdren]

2 years for 20 and then trade for lebron

[jag]

Taking a break from that nonsense, I'll say this about Boris so I don't completely ty up the thread. As far as contract negotiations go it's going to be very difficult to gauge his market value. It was much easier with Tiago because you could look around the League and see what other guys at his size were making relative to their production. Boris is very different in that I think his value/usefulness for the Spurs is unique to the Spurs. I don't think you'll see that quality of play from him on many, if any, other teams. His special relationship with Tony, his respect for Pop and the Spurs unique chemistry, have everything to do with his leading every player in the Finals with a +74.

So how do you gauge his market value? I dont think 32 year old Boris Diaw is worth more than the MLE to anyone else in the League. But to the Spurs? I think he's worth more. If the Spurs lose Mills, CoJo steps in. He's not as skilled as Patty, but the Spurs at least have a fallback option. Where do the Spurs go for a PF if they lose Boris? Duncan and Splitter are Centers. And the offense isn't what it should be with both on the floor together.

A +74 Finals PF, is worth quite a bit to this team. But it's an interesting scenario where his value doesn't translate past the Spurs. His leverage is that he'll just walk, but it's not going to be for more money.

[benefactor]

...what a fantastic meltdown. Glad I could be of assistance.

[Mel_13]

Taking a break from that nonsense, I'll say this about Boris. As far as contract negotiations go it's going to be very difficult to gauge his market value. It was much easier with Tiago because you could look around the League and see what other guys at his size were making relative to their production. Boris is very different in that I think his value/usefulness for the Spurs is unique to the Spurs. I don't think you'll see that quality of play from him on many, if any, other teams. His special relationship with Tony, his respect for Pop and the Spurs unique chemistry, have everything to do with his leading every player in the Finals with a +74.

So how do you gauge his market value? I dont think 32 year old Boris Diaw is worth more than the MLE to anyone else in the League. But to the Spurs? I think he's worth more. If the Spurs lose Mills, CoJo steps in. He's not as skilled as Patty, but the Spurs at least have a fallback option. Where do the Spurs go for a PF if they lose Boris? Duncan and Splitter are Centers. And the offense isn't what it should be with both on the floor together.

A +74 Finals PF, is worth quite a bit to this team. But it's an interesting scenario where his value doesn't translate past the Spurs. His leverage is that he'll just walk, but it's not going to be for more money.

That would certainly seem to be true when you talk about teams that could remotely be considered contenders. The MLE is 4yrs/21M. I say the Spurs make their first offer at 3yrs/21M and get Boris wrapped up before he even talks to another team.

[benefactor]

calling me smug or vapid. You're like a chick. Does this mean I'm not your type? Does this mean you can't see yourself being with a guy like me, got? you thinking you've ever "regulated" anyone on these forums. You're that random, borderline re ed GNSF who said Manu would never score 20 again. That obviously bothers you, so you're trying to reinvent yourself as the tiest poster on the forum just so people will notice you.

The irony of this guy calling out multiple people for not "adding" to the discussion:

[jag]

That would certainly seem to be true when you talk about teams that could remotely be considered contenders. The MLE is 4yrs/21M. I say the Spurs make their first offer at 3yrs/21M and get Boris wrapped up before he even talks to another team.

I think he could be had for 3yrs/18, possibly with a player option. But then you're playing the game and running the risk of him looking around. I still go back to my first point though, I don't see how he could get more than that.

[Mel_13]

I think he could be had for 3yrs/18, possibly with a player option. But then you're playing the game and running the risk of him looking around. I still go back to my first point though, I don't see how he could get more than that.

Yeah, it's a weird situation. He is extremely valuable to the Spurs, but he probably won't get much love in free agency. There are probably some teams that still view the way he left Charlotte as a huge red flag.

[Vito Corleone]

I think he could be had for 3yrs/18, possibly with a player option. But then you're playing the game and running the risk of him looking around. I still go back to my first point though, I don't see how he could get more than that.

The way others could win him is more years like around 4 years then you have to pay him more to keep him.

[100%duncan]

that's a journalist making an assumption and giving his opinion. There is no quote or source

This. Almost had a heartattack tho

[Ice009]

If Boris really does want that kind of money, he really needs to get his ass in shape. Not have bets with teammates like Patty Mills and then come back in the same shape as the previous year while Mills worked his ass off in the off-season to get in much better shape. I know the extra weight helps Boris in the post, but he can tone up a lot more and be an even better player. If he does that I'd happily pay him 9 million per season, but he's gotta be committed to working out and take his diet seriously before I even think about giving him that much money.

And how has Mills earned a contract bigger than Danny Green's? I've seen numbers thrown around that are much higher than what Danny Green got. Why should he get more than Green got?

[Mel_13]

Why should he get more than Green got?

The amount he can command is determined by what another team will offer him in 2014, not what Danny Green got from the Spurs in 2012.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Taking a break from that nonsense, I'll say this about Boris so I don't completely ty up the thread. As far as contract negotiations go it's going to be very difficult to gauge his market value. It was much easier with Tiago because you could look around the League and see what other guys at his size were making relative to their production. Boris is very different in that I think his value/usefulness for the Spurs is unique to the Spurs. I don't think you'll see that quality of play from him on many, if any, other teams. His special relationship with Tony, his respect for Pop and the Spurs unique chemistry, have everything to do with his leading every player in the Finals with a +74.

So how do you gauge his market value? I dont think 32 year old Boris Diaw is worth more than the MLE to anyone else in the League. But to the Spurs? I think he's worth more. If the Spurs lose Mills, CoJo steps in. He's not as skilled as Patty, but the Spurs at least have a fallback option. Where do the Spurs go for a PF if they lose Boris? Duncan and Splitter are Centers. And the offense isn't what it should be with both on the floor together.

A +74 Finals PF, is worth quite a bit to this team. But it's an interesting scenario where his value doesn't translate past the Spurs. His leverage is that he'll just walk, but it's not going to be for more money.

so you admit you completely derailed his thread with your guzzling circle jerk with bene got and Rod-slurper9000

...what a fantastic meltdown. Glad I could be of assistance.

Hey man you should thank me. I actually got vag to post something of merit once out of 100 posts

[Ice009]

The amount he can command is determined by what another team will offer him in 2014, not what Danny Green got from the Spurs in 2012.

Why should he get more money than Danny Green. I think the most the Spurs should pay him is what Green got. I don't understand why he'd be worth more. What is your opinion on the matter?

[Mel_13]

Why should he get more money than Danny Green. I think the most the Spurs should pay him is what Green got. I don't understand why he'd be worth more. What is your opinion on the matter?

I can't be any clearer.

If another team offer Mills the MLE, the Spurs can match the offer or watch him leave. They can't tell him that he has to stay in San Antonio for the same salary as Danny.

[exstatic]

Why should he get more money than Danny Green. I think the most the Spurs should pay him is what Green got. I don't understand why he'd be worth more. What is your opinion on the matter?

It's not what you think or what Danny thinks. It's what the market will bear. 3 and D's are one best values in the league right now, which means they are usually underpaid.

[elemento]

I really don't see him getting this kind of money

Despite his amazing display in the Finals, teams around the league know that Diaw needs to be motivated in the right environment to succeed.

I think he stays and Manu's last contract is absolutely the ceiling of Diaw's contract.

[Mel_13]

I really don't see him getting this kind of money

Despite his amazing display in the Finals, teams around the league know that Diaw needs to be motivated in the right environment to succeed.

I think he stays and Manu's last contract is absolutely the ceiling of Diaw's contract.

I think a third year at that salary is very possible. Couple that with a two year extension for Tony and then those contracts expire with Splitter's in 2017.

[jkid12456]

rofl then mills shold get something similar to that tbh..

[Mel_13]

rofl then mills shold get something similar to that tbh..

rofl no

[benefactor]

so you admit you completely derailed his thread with your guzzling circle jerk with bene got and Rod-slurper9000



Hey man you should thank me. I actually got vag to post something of merit once out of 100 posts

I think you are short a few emoticons, try hard.

[Ice009]

I can't be any clearer.

If another team offer Mills the MLE, the Spurs can match the offer or watch him leave. They can't tell him that he has to stay in San Antonio for the same salary as Danny.

I understand all that. I didn't say that I didn't.

I also asked what your opinion is on what he's worth. I didn't think that could be anymore clearer.

IMO I don't think he's worth more money than what Green got. Green brings more to the table, plays defense and can shoot the 3 ball just as well or better.

If teams offer him more, then that's up to the Spurs if they want to pay him more, that's not my decision. If it was me, I'd offer him what Green got or possibly a bit more to get him back on the team. I really like him, but don't know if I'd want to pay him twice as to what Green is getting like some of these numbers out there suggest.

[Mel_13]

I understand all that. I didn't say that I didn't.

You kept saying he shouldn't get more than Danny. To me, Danny's salary is irrelevant to a decision on how far to go with Mills (Just as Splitter's salary is irrelevant to what they will they offer Diaw). Mills fills a different role and it's a different summer with a different set of variables.

At any rate, I've posted about this in several Mills threads already. I believe that they'll try to get him for something around 3/10, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them go all the way up to 4/16. Somewhere above 4M per year, they probably have to let him go.

[Ice009]

You kept saying he shouldn't get more than Danny. To me, Danny's salary is irrelevant to a decision on how far to go with Mills (Just as Splitter's salary is irrelevant to what they will they offer Diaw). Mills fills a different role and it's a different summer with a different set of variables.

At any rate, I've posted about this in several Mills threads already. I believe that they'll try to get him for something around 3/10, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them go all the way up to 4/16. Somewhere above 4M per year, they probably have to let him go.

OK, thank-you, just wanted your opinion. I don't have time to read all the previous threads and posts. I agree with everything you said then, and I would pay him what you've suggested. Hopefully Spurs can get him for around the 4M per season range. I don't mind paying him a bit more than Green as the variables are different, so I guess you can't do an apples to apples comparison between the summers and free agency.