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that is a bit too much, tbh...but the guy is only 22
Pop did that this year to prevent the return of his 2013 tendonitis. I'm not sure he would be monitored like that again.
that is a bit too much, tbh...but the guy is only 22
He's 22, I'd prefer it like this over him being thrown into the fire. Earn your stripes.
Nate Silver recently addressed the question of a max extension for a player coming off his rookie contract. Obviously, it's in the team's best interests to pay max salary while receiving max value, but how can a team project whether a player's development worth the massive price tag and still come out ahead?
It's a really good read, so take a look for yourself
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...er-to-the-max/
His takeaway is this:
Kawhi's case is confounded by his development within a system that does not necessarily adapt to his strengths, yet the man was just crowned the best player in the NBA Finals going toe-to-toe with Lebron. At this point in time, his deserving a max contract can be argued for and against with equal validity. If the Spurs are confident that Leonard's development continues on the same tangent as it has since he joined the league, I would give it to him because another team will certainly do the same.Has your guy made an All-NBA team, or would it have been entirely reasonable for him to do so? Then offer him the max extension. If not, then don’t.
If it’s a close call, you might consider the player’s age, his injury history, his advanced defensive metrics, his leadership abilities, positional scarcity, your cap flexibility or whatever else pleases you.
If Pop's strategy works like it did this year and results in a deeper more reliable bench and fresher team come playoff time I'm all for it. Maybe we can squeeze a couple more LOB till TD hangs it up.
I don't see why we should match under those cir stances. He is a fine player, but we don't suddenly owe him significantly more than he's worth because he played well in 3 Finals games and two WCF games. We need to see what he can do with more burden, and see him not wilt under the pressure before he can be worth that much.
I definitely want to keep Kawhi. . .just not for the max. 12-12.5m is fair imo.
We can't let him go. Even if demands the max we have to pay it, and if we decide he is too expensive we could always trade him. You can't let an asset like Kawhi leave for nothing over ~$2m/yr
$12 mill per is fair according to what? The market dictates what he should get paid, not the contracts on the team. Batum got that much last year and he hasn't done the stuff Kawhi has on the big stage.
Also with guys leaving college early (which Kawhi did) part of what goes into determining their second contract is potential. You have to assume a 22 year old has nowhere to go but up tbh.
I'm in agreement, though I(we) have been banging the drum in think tank for a while. If you wait to extend/re-sign until after the next season, then the Spurs approach free agency with Kawhi on his QO, which will be way less than his first year. $10m in extra space might be the difference between Kevin Love and Brandon Bass. Worth it for Kawhi to wait. I think PATFO are smart enough to work this out and explain it to Kawhi and his/Jeff Ayres' agent (http://www.draftexpress.com/agents/Mitch-Frankel-217/).
Like FkLA stated, Batum got that amount in 2012 after this season: 59g \ 30.4min \ .451 fg \ .391 3p \ .836ft \ 4.6reb \ 1.4ast \ 1.0stl \ 1.0blk \ 1.5tov \ 1.8fl \ 13.9pts \ 17.3per \ 20.5usg \ 4.8WS \ 16 total PO games \ 23 yo
Looks about the same for me but the difference being that I see Kawhi having a higher ceiling and a higher cap number. Going back in history, Gino got a nice contract after his 03/04 season, so locking up guys early is in line with what the spurs do as long as it is for a guy they see as critical to their development.
The Spurs didn't lock up Manu early, they let him test free agency to see what his market value was. Pop also went to Kobe's house to talk to him and see if he was interested in leaving LA.
Sorry, I meant that they gave him a contract before his numbers skyrocketed (early in his career, not early in his contract). His 6yr/54 million was large at that time period for a 26yr old with only 2 years of stats. You are right, it wasn't an extension but a FA offer. I was more talking to the fact of people saying that Leonard hasn't put up the numbers to deserve the contract and while I agree, I think the spurs will somewhat pay on potential in regards to Leonard much like they did with Gino.
You'd make a fine GM for OKC.
Kawhi is in the top 20 players for win shares in the last TEN DRAFTS.
Fair enough.
We completely disagree, but that's makes for a good discussion.
They locked Manu up as early as they possibly could under the rules. He was a restricted free agent in 2004 and they signed him before he signed an offer sheet with another club. He was not eligible for an extension in the summer of 2003.
I absolutely do not recall the Pop-Kobe story from 2004. I remember Kobe flirting with the Clippers, but not with the Spurs. Do you have any links to reports from that time? Does anyone else recall this? Not that important, just curious.
I appreciate the civility man. Whatever happens, I want to keep the guy. I'm just hoping it doesn't have to be for the absolute maximum allowable amount lol. Guess we'll see what happens. In a perfect world, he'll get paid for less than max and still be very happy. I'm all for the future being locked up, but honestly I've always had the "When Tim Duncan retires. . ." worry in regards to our team's future. :\ We're gonna need more than Kawhi Leonard going forward. Our best players (besides him, Green, and Mills who may be gone), will prolly be retired by time his next deal expires. Timmy and Manu will be gone in a year or two.
Batum is overpaid though, but you make a good point about rewarded Spurs early on in their careers. I could see the argument for paying well early and hoping for a discount later. Odds are definitely higher to get a discount later as well as to keep guys. A max deal is just a ton. . .
Well it'd be more like 4-5m a year, but I understand.
kidd K
I agree with you that I would love to have him play for less than the max. I just don't know that we can rely on that at this point. And yes Batum might be overpaid, but partly that is because we have hindsight. If he kept improving as what people thought, his contract might not look that bad. In the end, I am with you and hope we get him in the 11-13 range. I just don't know if it is possible and I am not willing to let him walk. Just to be clear, I hope he goes into FA and he tests the market and realizes that he wants to stay on the spurs with a fair contract.
Leonard 16M
Splitter 10M
Diaw probably 10M
Parker probably 14M
Mills probably 7M
Dude you're trying way too hard. You look like an idiot. Just stop.Leonard 16M
Splitter 10M
Diaw probably 10M
Parker probably 14M
Mills probably 7M
That's what people on here are suggesting you re . Smd
Splitter isn't making 10mil from here on out. 9.25,8.5,8.25
Who said that we are paying Diaw 10m and Mills 7m? I am more expecting 3-5 for each of them.
And it will be interesting to see what Parker wants after this year. And while I would hope that it isnt 14, He might have one more "large" contract in him.
So, yes, Leonard might get 16. Is that a deal breaker for you? Is 14 better? What about 12? I think you can say you want less, but is there a buffer that you are willing to pay to make sure that he stays?
It's crazy to say Leonard deserves or not the max only for three good games in the Finals, when most people forget his last playoffs and his great games of 2013 Finals.
Obviously is the potencial but the kid showed more than a good sign -and three games- these years.
He continues to improve, he adds new weapons to his offensive game every season, post ups, drives, floaters, transition pull-up 3, etc, the versatility of his offensive game gives a lot of options. All these things and still maintain his defense at elite level.
What's Leonard's worth for other teams? He can make an immediate and big impact in other teams?.
Just imagine...
He plays for the Clips in the Game 6 against the OKC and strip-steal on Westbrook in last seconds...could be the Next Big3 Paul-Griffin-Leonard?
He's playing for the Hawks/Wizards attacking Paul George successful and contain him on the other end...
He's worth more to the Spurs than he would be worth to any other team? How can improve teams like the Thunder or the Clippers having Leonard instead of Sepholosha or Barnes?
How can improve an Eastern Conference contender with Leonard in their roster?
Or just how can improve a rebuilding and young team with Leonard?
So when people talking about Leonard's contract, it's not only about our FO, it's about other teams, too.
Leonard said he'll work out extension "I'm leaving that to my agent, and I'm sure they'll come out with a great understanding and a deal."
Why he should wait after 2015? For another max player? I've my doubts...all know when Tim decides to retire, Pop would go, too. Why a max player, who isn't a creation of the Spurs culture like Leonard is, want to play in a small market like San Antonio when the Spurs lose their two biggest winning factors, Pop and Tim?
If the Spurs let Leonard get into restricted FA, other teams give him a max offer sheet, and they'll need match. Why antagonize Leonard forcing him to wait another year when he want the extension? Just keep him now -even if is more expensive- and hope he can meet the expectations.
Last edited by wildchild; 06-23-2014 at 12:03 PM.
Impossible, they had the great Danny Granger for that.. KL couldn't sniff ANY playing time over that legend /blue
Agree. Impossible to match Granger magnificence, so...we won't see some Paul-Leonard lobs??!!!
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