Spurs: Would the Spurs have beaten the 2004 Pistons or the 2008 Cs?

[Mel_13]

Jaime omitting the Perkins injury

And Garnett, Yao, Duncan, and on and on.

[TDMVPDPOY]

comparing this years team to 08 team doesnt make sense


37yr old duncan vs whatever age kg was in 08?

[100%duncan]

Lkrfan not takong the bukkake per par.

[LkrFan]

What's your argument for not sweating the CBA? All the owners, even the filthy rich ones, don't want to pay too much luxury tax. When the Lakers broke the bank with their 100 million dollar payroll in 2012, they had to pay 30 million in luxury taxes, and that was before the new luxury tax structure. No owner worth his salt wants to give away 30 million in profit for nothing. The Buss family has no other revenue stream to subsidize themselves with. Prokorov, Ballmer, Arinson, they can lose 20 or 30 million and not feel it like Buss. If the Lakers hit the 100 million dollar payroll mark again, they'll have pay 80 million in luxury taxes. Buss can't afford that. The Lakers pulled in 66 million in profit last year, which includes the TV deal, merchandise sales, gate receipts, etc.

That 2012 article is more than relevant.

Did the $5B TWC deal get rescinded? You're in killa Cali so I figure you should know.

[LkrFan]

Lkrfan stooping so low he decided to compare futures....

We got Kawhi, you got swaggy p. Owned per par.

Is Kiwi making the all star game next year? For $16M/per, he better.

[LkrFan]

lol and you say I move the goalposts

It's really affecting my enjoyment of this le though, seriously.

you farmers are the ones who went off topic. I think the Lakers will be OK:

- $32M in committed salaries this season
- $25M in committed salaries the next season

Somebody will take Fredo's money

[100%duncan]

Is Kiwi making the all star game next year? For $16M/per, he better.

You gotta try harder than that jaime

Laker fan of course needs to inflate allstar games as it's the only way for kirby to be "relevant"

[midnightpulp]

Did the $5B TWC deal get rescinded? You're in killa Cali so I figure you should know.

Here's the breakdown of the Lakers revenue.

http://www.forbes.com/teams/los-angeles-lakers/

Yes, it includes profits from the TV deal. 66 million profit after all said and done. No way will Buss go into 80 million luxury tax territory and lose 14 million per year. Days of the Lakers outspending other franchises are probably over.

Time for your franchise to actually develop talent and build through the draft. It's a nightmare, I know.

And now you're going to have to compete with Ballmer's money right across the hall.

[Clipper Nation]

you farmers are the ones who went off topic. I think the Lakers will be OK:

- $32M in committed salaries this season
- $25M in committed salaries the next season

Somebody will take Fredo's money

Somebody such as Rudy Gay, Dion Waiters, Amar'e, or Friend Killer

[midnightpulp]

Somebody such as Rudy Gay, Dion Waiters, Amar'e, or Friend Killer

Laker fans are probably hopeful for Durant or Anthony Davis.

Lakers are a 5 year rebuild project, at the very least, no way will Durant (who will still be ringless in 2016) want to go to a 35-40 win team. The Lakers aren't an attractive destination anymore. The Clippers have supplanted them as the "hip" LA team.

[LkrFan]

Here's the breakdown of the Lakers revenue.

http://www.forbes.com/teams/los-angeles-lakers/

Yes, it includes profits from the TV deal. 66 million profit after all said and done. No way will Buss go into 80 million luxury tax territory and lose 14 million per year. Days of the Lakers outspending other franchises are probably over.

Time for your franchise to actually develop talent and build through the draft. It's a nightmare, I know.

And now you're going to have to compete with Ballmer's money right across the hall.

You are partially correct. Fredo will indeed pay luxury taxes...for the right players (just like his dad). No, he won't for players like Amare or Rudy Gay, as bell boy suggested.

So if there is a way to significantly upgrade the roster, he'll do it. Like I said before, and you farmers chose to ignore, MK traded for CP0 after the lockout fair and square. LDS owners stepped in and killed the deal thru collusion. MK is quite competent son.

[LkrFan]

Laker fans are probably hopeful for Durant or Anthony Davis.

Lakers are a 5 year rebuild project, at the very least, no way will Durant (who will still be ringless in 2016) want to go to a 35-40 win team. The Lakers aren't an attractive destination anymore. The Clippers have supplanted them as the "hip" LA team.

Clippers are a great regular season team, yes. What do they have to show for it? They're going nowhere with "the best closer since Jordan" as their best player. Plus Glen is massively overrated.

These are things we know.

[LkrFan]

You gotta try harder than that jaime

Laker fan of course needs to inflate allstar games as it's the only way for kirby to be "relevant"

You OK with paying that much small market money for a role player? That's the point. Kobe has nothing to do with it.

[Clipper Nation]

Clippers are a great regular season team, yes. What do they have to show for it? They're going nowhere with "the best closer since Jordan" as their best player. Plus Glen is massively overrated.

These are things we know.

Ballmer's money > Fredo's money

[LkrFan]

Ballmer's money > Fredo's money

K - who y'all gonna get to propel you outta the 2nd round? Even Durbeta been to the Finals.

[LkrFan]

That dont work for 2014, they had Ibaka and we blew them the out in game 5 and beat them in game 6 in okc, try again

Ibaka was NOT healthyPERIOD

[midnightpulp]

You are partially correct. Fredo will indeed pay luxury taxes...for the right players (just like his dad). No, he won't for players like Amare or Rudy Gay, as bell boy suggested.

So if there is a way to significantly upgrade the roster, he'll do it. Like I said before, and you farmers chose to ignore, MK traded for CP0 after the lockout fair and square. LDS owners stepped in and killed the deal thru collusion. MK is quite competent son.

I don't think you're understanding that the luxury tax penalty is now significantly higher than when Jerry Buss was throwing money around. It's no longer a 1.00 to 1.00 penalty. It can scale up to nearly 4.00 per every dollar, so a 100 million dollar roster will cost you 180 million. The Buss family's net worth is about 600 million, so if the Lakers operate at a loss of 15 million for, say, 3 straight years, Buss loses 8% of his net worth just on roster payroll No businessman would ever, ever do that.

Why do you keep bringing up the Chris Paul trade? They off loaded Gasol's and Odom's contracts, so it made sense from a financial perspective. I honestly thought the trade was bad for the Lakers at the time. You don't break up a dominant frontline for a PG.

And why would FAs now choose the Lakers over the Clippers? Because of "history?" Right now, the Clippers are way more attractive, have a much, much bigger bankroll, and will be contenders for the next 5 years.

Dig in. It's gonna get lean. Best thing for the Lakers to do is tank for like 3 seasons straight.

[LkrFan]

The Clippers even gave Glen a promotin. SMH

[Clipper Nation]

The Clippers even gave Glen a promotin. SMH

Has Dumbleavy been officially hired yet?

[midnightpulp]

Clippers are a great regular season team, yes. What do they have to show for it? They're going nowhere with "the best closer since Jordan" as their best player. Plus Glen is massively overrated.

These are things we know.

What do the Lakers have right now?

A broken down Kobe and Byron Scott/Mike Dunleavy?

[LkrFan]

I don't think you're understanding that the luxury tax penalty is now significantly higher than when Jerry Buss was throwing money around. It's no longer a 1.00 to 1.00 penalty. It can scale up to nearly 4.00 per every dollar, so a 100 million dollar roster will cost you 180 million. The Buss family's net worth is about 600 million, so if the Lakers operate at a loss of 15 million for, say, 3 straight years, Buss loses 8% of his net worth just on roster payroll No businessman would ever, ever do that.

Why do you keep bringing up the Chris Paul trade? They off loaded Gasol's and Odom's contracts, so it made sense from a financial perspective. I honestly thought the trade was bad for the Lakers at the time. You don't break up a dominant frontline for a PG.

And why would FAs now choose the Lakers over the Clippers? Because of "history?" Right now, the Clippers are way more attractive, have a much, much bigger bankroll, and will be contenders for the next 5 years.

Dig in. It's gonna get lean. Best thing for the Lakers to do is tank for like 3 seasons straight.

I fully understand the repeater tax. I stand by my statement that if the right deal comes along Fredo will pay it.

The CP0 deal proves to me that MK fully understands the new CBA. We'll be alright. I trust MK.

When CP0 is gone, so will Clippers' relevancy. He's already showing signs of wear and tear.

Oh and I'm OK with another tank. We'll see what they do soon enough.

[100%duncan]

You OK with paying that much small market money for a role player? That's the point. Kobe has nothing to do with it.

You OK with paying kirby 48.5 to sit and tweet?

You are one to talk with contributions and salaries given your team's situation. No escape Jaime

[Clipper Nation]

Jaime ing every which way

[baseline bum]

I don't think you're understanding that the luxury tax penalty is now significantly higher than when Jerry Buss was throwing money around. It's no longer a 1.00 to 1.00 penalty. It can scale up to nearly 4.00 per every dollar, so a 100 million dollar roster will cost you 180 million. The Buss family's net worth is about 600 million, so if the Lakers operate at a loss of 15 million for, say, 3 straight years, Buss loses 8% of his net worth just on roster payroll No businessman would ever, ever do that.

Why do you keep bringing up the Chris Paul trade? They off loaded Gasol's and Odom's contracts, so it made sense from a financial perspective. I honestly thought the trade was bad for the Lakers at the time. You don't break up a dominant frontline for a PG.

And why would FAs now choose the Lakers over the Clippers? Because of "history?" Right now, the Clippers are way more attractive, have a much, much bigger bankroll, and will be contenders for the next 5 years.

Dig in. It's gonna get lean. Best thing for the Lakers to do is tank for like 3 seasons straight.

Tanking for 3 years straight won't work since Phoenix has their 2015 first round pick and Orlando their 2017 first rounder. The best thing the Lakers can do is let Kobe chase Kareem's record while they win 38 games a season and hope that's enough to get people to come to Staples.

[midnightpulp]

I fully understand the repeater tax. I stand by my statement that if the right deal comes along Fredo will pay it.

The CP0 deal proves to me that MK fully understands the new CBA. We'll be alright. I trust MK.

When CP0 is gone, so will Clippers' relevancy. He's already showing signs of wear and tear.

Oh and I'm OK with another tank. We'll see what they do soon enough.

Blake Griffin is just as big a star and a better player.

Why would Jim Buss, who is "poor" by NBA owner standards, operate for several years at a loss?