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I'm educated enough to know the Eurocup can never be harder than the WC.
You forgot non existant penalty on ivory coast to put Greece through.
I know, they barely qualify as European but still.
I'm educated enough to know the Eurocup can never be harder than the WC.
Euro's pretty easy qualifying schedule. Most matches are played in non-hostile enviroments, at sea level and pretty much in the same weather conditions you'd expect back home (some exceptions like Russia, but they're a minority). And you usually get 1, 2 or even 3 punching bags in the group to rest key players and concentrate on the team whose challenging your spot.
In the Americas you get absolutely hostile crowds throwing all kinds of on your players from papers and coins to fireworks and knives; parking outside your hotel to make noise to avoid the players getting a good night sleep and throwing rocks at the team bus. Refs also feel the pressure, you must play with absolute concentration or the slightest contact could be a penalty or a red card. And nevermind playing in spots like La Paz, Quito or Barranquilla with alt ude and heat. If they complain about Brazil, they should try Venezuela away, they'd probably be crawling 15 minutes into the match. For all their techo-savvy coaching staffs, they should try to play with the ball and forget about their robotic training
And the distances to cover are far greater in the Americas. You have +5 hours flights. Most European nations are the size of my backyard
Greece todayI'm educated enough to know the Eurocup can never be harder than the WC.
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The finalists of the Eurocup just two years ago got eliminated in the first round. You should just stop talking now.
Why u have Mexican club skin if so European?
I achnolwedge the hostile crowd, conditions and field quality. This is true.Euro's pretty easy qualifying schedule. Most matches are played in non-hostile enviroments, at sea level and pretty much in the same weather conditions you'd expect back home (some exceptions like Russia, but they're a minority). And you usually get 1, 2 or even 3 punching bags in the group to rest key players and concentrate on the team whose challenging your spot.
In the Americas you get absolutely hostile crowds throwing all kinds of on your players from papers and coins to fireworks and knives; parking outside your hotel to make noise to avoid the players getting a good night sleep and throwing rocks at the team bus. Refs also feel the pressure, you must play with absolute concentration or the slightest contact could be a penalty or a red card. And nevermind playing in spots like La Paz, Quito or Barranquilla with alt ude and heat. If they complain about Brazil, they should try Venezuela away, they'd probably be crawling 15 minutes into the match. For all their techo-savvy coaching staffs, they should try to play with the ball and forget about their robotic training
And the distances to cover are far greater in the Americas. You have +5 hours flights. Most European nations are the size of my backyard
Overall, I think South America has made big strides since 2006. We shall see how this translates in 2018 @ Putinland.
My point about South America is in modern times it's always been 9 nations. They know each other well. You don't have any up & coming nations like Bosnia, Serbia, Slovenia or Estonia etc. It's difficult when you only qualify once every 12 years. To maintain financial & general public backing. Of the 36 UEFA teams ranked in the FIFA 70, only 6 qualify every single time. That's a lot of turnover.
Sidenote: Your description of Europe being "size of my backyard" makes it more impressive. Imagine Yugoslavia still being around, Germany being combined with Austria & Liechtstein, Czech + Slovakia, Russia still having Ukraine & Georgia, Poland + Lithuania. Finland with Estonia & Latvia. UK having Ireland, Scotland & Wales. ETC. These teams would be even better
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Yes, but again, last world cup, after the group stage, everyone was talking about how dominant the American countries were, yet only one American team reached the semis... and it was ing Uruguay going through the easiest path in the history of WCs. I mean, in 2010 the (American countries in round of 16)/(total of American countries in WC) ratio was much higher than the European ratio. This time history is repeating itself. Everyone is saying "this is South America, South America over Europe blah blah blah" but I only see Colombia or Chile getting to semis but failing to go further because they are much weaker mentally and physically, and play worse football than Netherlands and Germany. One out of four semi finalists is not a good thing. No finalist in South America will be much worse. Europeans will end up laughing at the American continent.
I expect a Germany-Holland final, tbh. But that doesn't take away from the fact that Europe underachieved on this World Cup. Teams like Spain, Italy and England getting eliminated in the first round is a huge failure. Compare that to South America's 5 of 6 teams already qualified with the chance of the 6th one to qualify too and it's already a success. Europe usually fields three times as many teams as any other confederation and have 6 of the 8 historically elite teams of course they're going to get the most amount of teams in the latter stages but that doesn't mean they do well on a particular World Cup it just mean that there are way too many countries jammed toghether on that little continent, tbh.
America needs to develop a 3rd Elite team. Chile defeating Brazil is a good start, or if need be Colombia. Argentina needs to reach the Semi's as well
You are very biased tbh. Listing any of those teams are quality teams is a bit of a joke tbh. In this world cup, there are more good teams from americas than from europe, there's no question, and those teams are (not shockingly) playing far better than their european counterparts. With that said, only brasil and argentina are in the level of germany and netherlands, 2 and 2 for real contenders.
Nation - UEFA Ranking:
Norway - 8
Sweden - 13
Slovakia - 18
Turkey - 16
Czech Republic - 23
Ukraine - 26
Hungary - 27
Bulgaria - 28
Poland - 36
As a reference point: Belgium is #22. If none of those teams are quality, then 2/3 of the entire World Cup Tournament isn't either. Most if not all those teams would qualify in every region except for Europe & South America
1. Brazil vs Netherlands
2. Argentina vs Germany
3. Colombia vs France
4. Chile vs Belgium
5. Uruguay vs Greece
6. Ecuador vs Russia
I'll leave out Italy although they played South American #5 to an even match. In those 6 matches, I'll take Europe in atleast 4 of the matches. England & Portugal are the European bottom feeders in this Tournament and they still played USA & Uruguay very well. If Swizz & Russia make the Knockout Stage, then Europe will have performed decently.
- England bombed
- Spain finished 3rd in a very tough Group
- Everyone else has played nearly on Par
If no more than 1 South American team cracks the Semi-Final then how impressive was it all? I had Chile making the Knockout Stage and Ecuador is a surprise. Why should I be impressed by South Americans performance so far? Conmebol is the big winner thus far. USA & Mexico benefit from having a cake walk to Qualifying every 4 years. You think Klinsmann would have joined USA if they had to qualify from Europe? No. Because these teams would qualify only every 8-12 years.
Sweden didn't even qualify for the WC this yearNation - UEFA Ranking:
Norway - 8
Sweden - 13
Slovakia - 18
Turkey - 16
Czech Republic - 23
Ukraine - 26
Hungary - 27
Bulgaria - 28
Poland - 36, but at least we have Aron Johannsson on the US side
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Kiddo, I'm bringing numbers into the discussion. So it's not just "Europe sucks because they didn't win every match"
UEFA rankings
"Europe sucks because Bosnia didn't defeat Argentina"UEFA rankings
And Italy didn't beat Costa Rica, and England didn't beat Uruguay, and Spain didn't beat Chile, and Portugal didn't beat USA, and Croatia didn't beat Mexico, etc, etc, etc...
I never said Europe sucks, heck I even said I'm expecting an all European final.
You did say the Eurocup is harder than the WC. I would like to know the reasoning behind such an odd opinion, tbh.
World Cup has African, Asian & Middle Eastern teams that traditionally park the bus. I will have to see how this plays out in Russia 2018, to make an official ruling if this is no longer the case.
I think that it's harder to qualify for the WC in Europe, but I don't think the euro cup is harder than the WC.
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