American contribution is noted as selling/offering weapons to USSR & UK. But in terms of fighting Nazis head on, there was very little.
The Soviets would have eventually defeated Germany without D-Day or the strategic bombing campaign. The second front was opened because the USA and England feared the idea of a communist dominated Europe. They were merely fighting for position over what would happen to Europe after Germany surrenders. I think the only reason why USA and England had a say in what happened in Europe is because the USSR didn't quite have nukes yet.
This is spot on. I remember seeing on "Oliver Stone USA Untold History" series, something to the extent that after WW2 the USA controlled 65-70% of the Globes Wealth. And the next 40 years was spent trying to hold onto that advantage.
Not really.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/H...an-3177012.phpAs the United States dropped its atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August 1945, 1.6 million Soviet troops launched a surprise attack on the Japanese army occupying eastern Asia. Within days, Emperor Hirohito's million-man army in the region had collapsed.
It was a momentous turn on the Pacific battleground of World War II, yet one that would be largely eclipsed in the history books by the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in the same week 65 years ago. But in recent years some historians have argued that the Soviet action served as effectively as - or possibly more than - the A-bombs in ending the war.
Now a new history by a professor at UC Santa Barbara seeks to reinforce that view, arguing that fear of Soviet invasion persuaded the Japanese to opt for surrender to the Americans, who they believed would treat them more generously than the Soviets.
Japan's forces in northeast Asia first tangled with the Russians in 1939 when the Japanese army tried to invade Mongolia. Their crushing defeat at the battle of Khalkin Gol induced Tokyo to sign a neutrality pact that kept the USSR out of the Pacific war.
Tokyo turned its focus to confronting U.S., British and Dutch forces instead, which led to the Pearl Harbor attack on Dec. 7, 1941.
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Also how did i end up in politics subforum?
Those are facts ^
Omg dont tell me americans believe they beat japan with 2 measly nukes????
Yes, really.
Emperor Hirohito, Radio Broadcast Announcing Surrender & Accepting the Potsdam Declaration:
To our good and loyal subjects: After pondering deeply the general trends of the world and the actual conditions obtaining in our empire today, we have decided to effect a settlement of the present situation by resorting to an extraordinary measure.
We have ordered our Government to communicate to the Governments of the United States, Great Britain, China and the Soviet Union that our empire accepts the provisions of their joint declaration.
To strive for the common prosperity and happiness of all nations as well as the security and well-being of our subjects is the solemn obligation which has been handed down by our imperial ancestors and which we lay close to the heart.
Indeed, we declared war on America and Britain out of our sincere desire to insure Japan's self-preservation and the stabilization of East Asia, it being far from our thought either to infringe upon the sovereignty of other nations or to embark upon territorial aggrandizement.
But now the war has lasted for nearly four years. Despite the best that has been done by everyone--the gallant fighting of our military and naval forces, the diligence and assiduity of out servants of the State and the devoted service of our 100,000,000 people--the war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage, while the general trends of the world have all turned against her interest.
Moreover, the enemy has begun to employ a new and most cruel bomb, the power of which to do damage is, indeed, incalculable, taking the toll of many innocent lives. Should we continue to fight, it would not only result in an ultimate collapse and obliteration of the Japanese nation, but also it would lead to the total extinction of human civilization.
Such being the case, how are we to save the millions of our subjects, nor to atone ourselves before the hallowed spirits of our imperial ancestors? This is the reason why we have ordered the acceptance of the provisions of the joint declaration of the powers.
Winston Churchill, Interview on the American's use of the atomic bomb:Those are facts ^
Omg dont tell me americans believe they beat japan with 2 measly nukes????
We had contemplated the desperate resistance of the Japanese fighting to the death with Samurai devotion, not only in pitched battles, but in every cave and dug-out. I had in my mind the spectacle of Okinawa island, where many thousands of Japanese, rather than surrender, had drawn up in a line and destroyed themselves by hand-grenades after their leaders had solemnly performed the rite of harakiri . To quell the Japanese resistance man by man and conquer the country yard by yard might well require the loss of a million American lives and half that number of British --or more if we could get them there: for we were resolved to share the agony. Now all this nightmare picture had vanished. In its place was the vision --fair and bright indeed it seemed --of the end of the whole war in one or two violent shocks....
Moreover, we should not need the Russians. The end of the Japanese war no longer depended upon the pouring in of their armies for the final and perhaps protracted slaughter. We had no need to ask favours of them.... We seemed suddenly to have become possessed of a merciful abridgment of the slaughter in the East and a far happier prospect in Europe...
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...r_world_war_iiFinally, one other fact about timing creates a striking problem. On August 8, Foreign Minister Togo Shigenori went to Premier Suzuki Kantaro and asked that the Supreme Council be convened to discuss the bombing of Hiroshima, but its members declined. So the crisis didn't grow day by day until it finally burst into full bloom on August 9. Any explanation of the actions of Japan's leaders that relies on the "shock" of the bombing of Hiroshima has to account for the fact that they considered a meeting to discuss the bombing on August 8, made a judgment that it was too unimportant, and then suddenly decided to meet to discuss surrender the very next day. Either they suc bed to some sort of group schizophrenia, or some other event was the real motivation to discuss surrender.
Who ing cares? STFU with this WW2 . I'm here to talk about the ing world cup. Stalin isn't going to come out of a tunnel and score 3 goals so who ing cares. God damn.
An American started it. . . .
That would be pretty cool though. To see Stalin come out for Russia, Hitler play goalkeeper for the Nazis, FDR popping wheelies as a center back, and ing Emperor Hirohito surrendering a header...Mussolini and Churchill? 'em they're done for.
That's not persuasive -- really just speculation and innuendo riddled with omissions. The capacity to level a city in one blow while taking zero casulaities in return is a game changer; it's silly to pretend otherwise. If you were a head of state, and your country were getting nuked city by city with absolutely nothing you could do, you would surrender whereas the Japs (known as fanatical fighters) could have at least mounted a resistance against the soviets (however futile it would be) if there were no nuclear bomb. But there was simply nothing they could do about nukes -- completely defenessless.
"Should we continue to fight, it would not only result in an ultimate collapse and obliteration of the Japanese nation, but also it would lead to the total extinction of human civilization."
I'll let this thread return to soccer, but I think I made my point.
Why, yes, let's not the facts get in the way of a good story. Back to soccer.
U.S.A. 1 - U.S.S.R. 0
They should've signed truce with Reich and sent supports to them so they could fight the commies a bit longer. It was in the Allies interest to see both sides (commies and Reich) fight to their last blood, imho.
And the intensity of battles couldn't be merely reflected by numbers. Allies were fighting Hitler youth in the west who probably hadn't even had the experience of shooting semen, let alone shooting bullets. If Hitler and Stalin had reached a truce after D-day, the allied pussies would've fled back to Britain in a minute, tbh.
Actually I read somewhere that they were breeding the Hitler youth. They would stage parties with other "Pure blood Aryan" female teens and let them like crazy. It is probably a reason why they were so fanatical. If they fight and believe, they get all the pussy they want.
whatever helps you sleep at night.
Let's do this... FREEDOM FOR THE WIN!
The Wehrmacht didn't fight for pussies, they fought for glories imho.
The Reich will stomp a mudhole and walk it dry tomorrow morning..
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