way too late. Chandler's not the player he was 3 years ago. Still serviceable but hardly elite.
Did I type it in a weird font or something? Chandler wasn't a hot commodity and Dallas paid like he was. The Mavs pretty much gave New York as much as they could when the Knicks were desperate to dump him. It made no sense from a leverage standpoint.
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Yeah to me this is a clear win for Phil... Chandler is on the downside and Felton is one of the worst PG in the nba...
You're too close to it, Shockey.
So that's where I am, eh?
This is called selling low and buying high.
Isn't Harris a Free agent?
Technically, yes. They are giving up two starters. Both of which don't have a major impact. One who is clearly overpaid vs his actual impact on the court (Calderon). They also got back two starters with one of them being the clear cut best player in the deal (Tyson). Again, technically, the Mavs gave up their highest draft pick. It's a 2nd rounder. While that clearly has value, it's not a lot to give up in order to dump the worst contract in the deal (Calderon) and free up more space in the near future.
Taking on Felton's contract? It's not only half the money per year of Calderon's (7.1M v 3.8M) it's less total and shorter (Calderon is owed 22M over 3 years/ Felton is owed 7.7M over two years). There is no question Calderon has a worse contract and I don't care how bad a guy is, if you get the best player in a deal, taking on a 3/4M contract that is short is no big issue. Especially when there are odds that Felton can play better in a better situation.
They lose 3M in cap space which depending on Dirk's contract could end up being a non-issue. This came out of nowhere and who knows who wants Tyson. Moving early not only is advantageous because you free up future cap space while getting the best player, but it appeases Dirk who still has to sign. Not only that, it shows FA's (Melo/Bron/ect..) that you are putting together a talented team now and still have cap space to build on. It's clearly smart IMO to do the move now, especially since you didn't give up any first rounders, got future cap space & got the best player in the deal (even if there are question marks about his health). Dallas knows him well. They know the fit. He's much more valuable to Dallas because he's a known phenomenal fit next to Dirk (championship level fit).Dallas had all the leverage in this deal. They didn't need Chandler. The center trade market is going to be surprisingly strong this off-season. New York, in fact, is likely to get one of those centers, which is why they're looking to trade Chandler right now (in addition to their half-hearted attempt to get a better roster together before the first of July). Tyson is still a good player, but his stock is not very high right now. Have we even heard about any other team wanting him? The Mavs could have waited on this deal for a while, since Chandler's price was only going to decline next month. They weren't in danger of losing cap space by waiting, since they're not using it to complete this deal. In fact, they lose space by doing it now.
Using their cap space would have left them with some useless assets and less flexibility. With this trade, they didn't lose any starters (net) and still have their cap space + a higher ceiling. All they had to do was give up two 2nd rounders and 3M in cap space this year (and they can still have a ton of cap space despite that). If that 3M makes the difference in getting some players (yet to be seen), then you might have a slight point IMO, but I doubt that is true.Dallas should have offered to take Chandler off the Knicks' hands using their cap space or even doing to the Calderon/Felton swap. But if they went the PG route, they should have tried to get an asset out of New York, or at least not given up a few themselves.
This is as bad as the Bargnani trade from a leverage standpoint, although it's obviously better from a personnel/value standpoint. Dallas can certainly recover by signing a PG like Lowery and picking up a small-forward like Ariza with their cap space. But they still messed up this part of the off-season.
If Dirk takes only 10M, they would have approximately 23M in cap space..
And finding the horses after you've closed the barn door 3 years later.
You do have that cute little way about ya.
Trying to argue that Felton is better value on his deal than Calderon is just dumb sorry...
You can argue about Tyson being the clear cut best player but his trajectory is pretty scary...
Didn't say he was a better value - said he has the more favorable contract and since neither really matter basketball wise, I'll take the more favorable contract.
We RESTACKED!!!!!:
& it's swell of Media to just let The Cubes to utilize the time machine without so much as a howdy do. But, why not, the first word out of their mouth in inquisition now would have no link to when he lit the match after they rang.
How does this tangibly help NY? They lost their best trade asset (Tyson), didn't improve their team basketball wise (Calderon/Dalembert =/< Tyson) and they lost cap space in the near future. All to get Shane Larkin and 2 2nd rounders.
Simple....because Phil did it and he needs a hand down. Like now.
Larkin is the next Beaubois. Short 2 guard that can't play the 1.
Word is dalembert and Larkin trying to be moved in separate deal.
Should've never let big daddy TC walk, tbh
Feel like you're talking about prime Chandler, not the tosb version that got bukkaked by Hibbert (who everyone is looking as a scrub these days)...
We're probably even more stacked than 3yrs ago tbh, all we need to do now is sign some ring-chasing veterans (including VC who's likely to stay). We didn't even have a legit 2nd option back in 2011 but now we have Monta, not to mention the possibility of getting some A-listers like Lebron this summer... we STACKED!!!
Doesn't matter if it's prime Tyson. He's no risk, a fantastic fit next to Dirk (this is a known variable) and many can easily suggest that he played poorly because NY was a damn mess. Even if he's not prime, he's still better than Dalembert. Anyways, that doesn't answer my question. How does this help NY tangibly?
They lose salary in a year where they won't have cap space anyways, add salary in a year in which they would have cap space and even if Calderon is an upgrade over Felton (even if you want to argue Dalembert = Felton) it only adds a few meaningless wins to a non-playoff team.
So unless you are trying to argue that Larkin is a real prize (maybe) and that those 2nd round picks are incredibly valuable (possibly), was it really worth losing cap space/flexibility and your best trade asset (Tyson the player and Tyson the expiring contract) on such gambles?
As I said later in the post you've quoted, Calderon/Dalembert for Felton/Chandler isn't a bad trade by itself. Calderon is better than Felton, who hasn't looked like a starting PG in years. Losing Jose creates a hole. Chandler is the best player in the deal, but he didn't have high stock. Dallas big against themselves. As far as picks go, I was talking about Larkin as the highest one they had in a while. The 34th pick is a pretty good piece, too, as should be able to bring in a first-round talent. 51 is not really valuable, but it's not quite a throw-in. Trading it stinks of "the kitchen sink".
It's not a non-issue to lose cap space. Dirk is still going to make seven figures, so we're talking about the difference between having a max contract to offer and not having it. Dallas only has $27 Million left now (as opposed to $30-$32 Million, which is too little to offer Melo and Dirk unless Dirk makes about $4-6 Million. As I said later on, they can still add a combo like Ariza/Lowery, but it's harder now than it was before. As far as the rest of what you said, no it doesn't really give Dirk or any FAs more hope. All Cuban had to do to appease Dirk is tell him they have a standing (cheaper) offer on Chandler and will be willing to increase their bid if they need to. For free agents, they could tell them the same, or actually pull the trigger during the moratorium before anyone could officially sign anywhere.They lose 3M in cap space which depending on Dirk's contract could end up being a non-issue. This came out of nowhere and who knows who wants Tyson. Moving early not only is advantageous because you free up future cap space while getting the best player, but it appeases Dirk who still has to sign. Not only that, it shows FA's (Melo/Bron/ect..) that you are putting together a talented team now and still have cap space to build on. It's clearly smart IMO to do the move now, especially since you didn't give up any first rounders, got future cap space & got the best player in the deal (even if there are question marks about his health). Dallas knows him well. They know the fit. He's much more valuable to Dallas because he's a known phenomenal fit next to Dirk (championship level fit).
Let's just be clear here: Dallas has lost cap space. They didn't protect any of it by doing this trade now. They could have done this trade later when they actually used their cap space, and THEN, they would have been able to have Tyson along with their other free-agent acquisitions. They also would have had two draft picks to use on player they need to fill their roster. Obviously, they would have also had Larkin, whom they liked enough to pass on Antetokoumpo and Schoder for. Instead, they have three starters, a huge question mark in Felton and limited actual cap space to add at least six more players.Using their cap space would have left them with some useless assets and less flexibility. With this trade, they didn't lose any starters (net) and still have their cap space + a higher ceiling. All they had to do was give up two 2nd rounders and 3M in cap space this year (and they can still have a ton of cap space despite that). If that 3M makes the difference in getting some players (yet to be seen), then you might have a slight point IMO, but I doubt that is true.
It wasn't a smart trade at all. It wasn't the worst trade ever, since they did get the best player, as you said. But they aren't beating the Spurs/Thunder/Clippers or even the Rockets/Blazers unless they get a superstar or two All-Stars to supplement their new core.
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