just doing the lord's work tbhGood work on calling Marco's defense all season, tbh.
Please show me where I said it was an amazing article. I even criticized it in the INITIAL POST. Now, I know reading is difficult for you, but try to keep up. It was an article written about the Spurs from a Rockets point of view, therefore it's relevant and I posted it.
Btw, do you guys actually think if Kawhi went to another team that he would have developed like this? Absolutely not. Our staff works wonders. It takes talent to recognize talent, and it takes talent to develop talent.
Beli did fine in the regular season. He hit that huge 3 in game 1 against Miami as well. I'm glad he's a Spur. And I maintain that he tries not to be terrible on defense, which is more than I can say for some of the guys we've had here in SA.
Well I kind of can see what the writer is leading out to. It's about coach's mentality and system to develop and get the best out of its players. Sure Lin exploded and thrived on D'Antonni's system where no one else was available to play on the Knicks. Same can be said on the D'Antonni's Lakers squad last year, Kobe was out, Nash was out..D'Antonni was forced to play players like Goudlock, Marshall.. we all know what happened. Lin was able to breakout in a 'right system' which tells something. Now under a different coach and system where the ball sticks with Harden and Howard, Lin's strengths are not maximized. Spread the floor, have Lin initiate the offense..the Rocket's may have been a different team.
On another note, imagine Leonard was with the Kings? He'll be the next Kenny Thomas. Imagine Tony Parker on another team? He'd be another Tyrone Lue type player etc. Or go even way back and imagine had the Blazers drafted Jordan when they already have Drexler, Jordan not having the playing time and playing behind Drexler, we may not a GOAT MJ. Players' success in his NBA career also depends on the situation he's at. Spurs system is proving to be one of the best in the league at finding diamond in the rough and developing talent.
No, dude, you don't understand. We have standards for what should be posted to this forum. Only the highest quality basketball discussion is allowed here. Now, go off and comment in the thread about Diaw kissing some random woman.
Ive always liked Linsanity but bc hes an underdog--undrafted, asian, harvard, small , etc...Kawhi couldnt be any more different since hes an absolute beast that was lottery talent as a sop re in college. What a re ed article tbh.
And without the right coaching, Kawhi might never have improved his game to what it is now.Ive always liked Linsanity but bc hes an underdog--undrafted, asian, harvard, small , etc...Kawhi couldnt be any more different since hes an absolute beast that was lottery talent as a sop re in college. What a re ed article tbh.
Remember: 14 coaches thought he wasn't worthy. The Kings passed on him for Bismack Biyombo.
Thats a valid point but thats not what people are laughing at.
Kawhi has the physical tools which made it possible for him to be coached into a FMVP. Lin could be coached by a staff made up of Pop, Red and Larry and he still wouldnt reach those heights bc he simply wasnt blessed with the tools Kawhi was blessed with. There's a huge talent gap which makes the comparison absolutely re ed tbh.
Ridiculous article. Leonard always had more upside than Lin. , Leonard in his rookie season was already better than Lin during his stint with NY.
A better choice would have been using Patty Mills in a comparison to Lin.
Please read what I said in the very first post of this thread.
If the writer was going to make an article discussing the Spurs' talent development and system, that's fine..I understand trying to relate it to the Rockets, since it's a Houston-based source, but making Lin the central point of the piece makes little sense, especially comparing him to Kawhi Leonard
The writer's primary examples of Lin's ability is the short time Lin spent with the Knicks in Mike D'Antoni's system, a system that is known for inflating the abilities and numbers of players, whether they're already stars or even fringe players
Again, Jeremy Lin has minimal potential..he can't shoot, he doesn't have elite ball-handling or passing skills, he doesn't have an athletic build, he can't jump, there's really no potential there
Lin would be Finals MVP if only his coaches believed in him
First off this "In his first season Lin averaged 14.6 points and 6.2 assists per game..." is garbage. He played in like 20 games total. With a bad team, and when Melo was injured and the Knicks had no other options. It was Linsanity because it was INSANE at the time how overhyped this guy was. So don't tell me how he started off showing such promise and then faltered. That was a fluke situation from the beginning. Not anything like Kawhi's first year.
Second, Lin should never fall into the "what could have been" category. He wasn't even drafted... Just because Houston decided to be moronic and throw him a boatload of money doesn't mean ANYONE expected ANYTHING from him...ever. Kawhi, meanwhile, was highly regarded after 2 years at SDSU. His sop re year, he led them to a 35-3 record and to the sweet 16, where they would barely lose to eventual champion UConn. The expectations between these 2 players could not have been any more different in their rookie seasons.
Third, comparing Kawhi to Jeremy freaking Lin in any shape, way or form, is just flat-out insulting. Next they'll be comparing Lin's career with Jordan. Seriously. It's just embarrassing.
Writer is just saying some players can only shine in proper systems. See Boris Diaw, Danny Green for examples. I don't think the writer was comparing Lin's potential to Leonard's, but rather Leonard most likely won't be get as far as he did on any other team.
Lin's full potential is not that much lower than Parker in my honest opinion. Parker/Manu were extremely lucky coming into the Spurs team when our perimeter was at its weakest. Too many players buried on the bench because coach was too afraid to play them or too lazy to develop low picks. Lin always played well against Parker/Spurs (and players/teams that rely on brain/finesse than sheer athleticism), and after Lin dropped 38 points on the Spurs, Parker even compared Lin to his younger self.
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...g-tony-parker/
Harden ball hugging and lack of touches really hurt Lin's game. Beverley is ridiculously overrated as a defender. Lin is taller and a much better system defender. He had Liliard under control for the entire second half and his coach pulled him at the final second and ate a three.
Put Lin on the Spurs I guarantee he brings more to the table than Patty Mills. His at ude is as Spurs as it gets (did not take any major endorsements the year of Linsanity when he could have really cashed in). Add in his marketing value he is worth 4-5 million a year easily. He just needs a good coach to yell at him and actual touches/playing time. Spurs's international atmosphere and system fits him better than anyone. A steal to pick him up at 3-4 million a year from now when his current contract expires.
He definitely went way overboard with the Lin/Kawhi comparison, but that's not the point of his article. It's about how teams should be looking to talent within their systems and teams to develop rather than chasing after superstars. It's apparently a very difficult connection for a lot of members here to make, but the point is absolutely salient. If the Spurs dumped Parker to try to retool every time the Spurstalk haters wanted them to, we'd probably have no more than 3 rings. It's kind of incredible the way we've managed to utilize FAR less dominant players from other teams, plug them into our system, and watch them excel, yet people are so stuck on the faulty Leonard/Lin comparison that they just immediately take the entire article to be trash. As if anyone from PTR or 48MoH haven't made homerific comparisons before.
obviously not, but that doesn't mean that we would make lin a legit player.
it still just asian victimism, he was benched by a defensive pg that can't shoot at all and is paid the rookie scale, i mean what team would happily pay 15m for a guy to ride the bench against a rookie scale contract? It's obvious they tried and Lin was just a bad fit.He definitely went way overboard with the Lin/Kawhi comparison, but that's not the point of his article. It's about how teams should be looking to talent within their systems and teams to develop rather than chasing after superstars. It's apparently a very difficult connection for a lot of members here to make, but the point is absolutely salient. If the Spurs dumped Parker to try to retool every time the Spurstalk haters wanted them to, we'd probably have no more than 3 rings. It's kind of incredible the way we've managed to utilize FAR less dominant players from other teams, plug them into our system, and watch them excel, yet people are so stuck on the faulty Leonard/Lin comparison that they just immediately take the entire article to be trash. As if anyone from PTR or 48MoH haven't made homerific comparisons before.
Lin's a bad fit with Harden, for sure. Both need the ball to be effective and neither is really comfortable spotting up.
That being said, most of the blame should go to Morey on this. He threw that load of money at Lin and Asik in his zeal to acquire 'assets' yet never factored in how those assets would fit once he got his stars.
Diaw got benched on the worst team in the league. I guess that means he's a ty player who will contribute nothing to a meaningful NBA franchise, either.
It is because he didn't think he would have got Harden, he took Lin first to ensure someone could help sell tickets next season.
Lin used correctly can provide the Manu impact on that team, if he is allowed to run the offense when he comes off the bench.
As it is, it is like the LeBron/Wade situation, LeBron handles the ball and Wade deteriorated in a hurry because LeBron's game is very similar to Wade's and simply superior in every way.
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Or that he didnt want to play for them...
Shocking how ineffective a player can be when he's put in an adverse environment for his development, isn't it?
I have to say, I don't see the comparison as that unreasonable. Lin's per 36 numbers for his first 200 games are 16 points, 6 assists, 4 rebounds, and 2 steals. I get that he's nowhere near Kawhi on defense, but he's actually a pretty excellent offensive player. His 3 point shooting has improved every year (now a reasonable 36%), and he's almost automatic at the line now. Playing 12 minutes some nights and 40 minutes other nights is no way to develop a good, young player when it's not part of some larger plan. It does not appear to be in Houston.
He gets beat off the dribble by faster guards, but overall he's a solid defender. I'd consider his "whole package" better than Beverley, considering that Beverley generates very few assists and is a worse overall shooter. Beverley is clearly a better on-ball defender, similar in turnovers generated, but also can be shot over more easily. Lin has good size for a PG, Beverley's two or three lost inches and 20 lost pounds make a real difference no matter how you slice it. Considering Harden is the other guard, taking risks for occasional turnovers is probably rational. Help defense isn't coming either way, might as well try to get a turnover.
Lin is far from a "borderline talent". He put up good numbers per minute the last two years on a good Houston team despite wild variations in usage for most of the season.
- Undrafted player, despite attending an American college
- Only impressive stretch of basketball was in Mike D'Antoni's system
- No notable athletic traits
- Average 3-point shooter
- Not a special ball-handler and struggles against pressure
- Has been in the playoffs twice and was absolutely terrible in both
- Has a negative RAPM rating the past 2 years
- Negative overall on/off metrics
Garbage player that wouldn't be known if he wasn't Asian, yet we have people in this thread comparing him to Parker, Ginobili and Leonard
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