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Bird isn't going to let RC rape him twice.
Hypothetical-George Hill back on the Spurs
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=n4fst2d (numbers from last season, but would work with next seasons cap figures as well)
The Pacers have 10 players under contract next season for $64.9 million (about 2 million over the projected cap) with Lan Stephenson an unrestricted free agent. Stephenson's rumored value is any where from $8-10 million per season, which could push them anywhere from $73 to $75 million (the luxury tax is $77 million for the 14-15 season) they wouldn't be able to use the full mid level without going into the luxury tax ,in all likelihood.
Spurs Get
George Hill
Draft Pick (protected 1st rounder in 2016, or a 2015 second rounder)
Pacers Get
Jeff Ayers
Marco Bellinelli
Austin Daye
Pacers would trim 2.3 million off in the trade and can waived Daye by 7/30/14 to trim off another $750,000 ($3.0 million in savings this season) dropping them to about $62 million.
The move would give them allow them access to the full mid level exception and allow them to keep Stephenson without having to waive Scola. They would also save $16 million (8 million each season) over the next two years. Allowing them room to retool. They would save $19 million dollars over the next 3 seasons.
The Spurs would receive ,Hill who has played in our system before (10 ppg, 45 %, 37.1 % 3pt over his 3 seasons in S.A.)and is solid defender. Hill was the 6th man his final season. The Spurs rotation has drastically changed since his time with the team.
The Spurs lead the league in O Rtg but were 13th in D Rtg with players like Neal, Blair and Bonner having bigger roles on the team. The '10-'11 team lost in the first round to the Grizzlies. Splitter was rookie and Green was a fringe NBA player at that time.tenure. Manu, and Diaw coming off the bench.
The Spurs would cut into their cap space in 15-16 and 16-17 (only Splitter is under contract with $8.5 million in each year) but they could some of that offset that my opting not to resign Mills (to a multi-year deal). Joseph would still be on the roster. Mills, if he returns could make in the range of $4 million a season probably over 3 seasons.
Parker/Joseph
Green/Hill/Ginobili
Leonard/Ginobili/Anderson
Splitter/Diaw/Bonner (if he returns)
Duncan/Baynes (if he returns)
Bench could primarily consist of: Joseph, Hill, Ginobili, Diaw and Baynes (or another big man or SF that the Spurs signed
with 3 rosters spots open and $58.5 million in committed to 12 players (assuming Baynes returns on his qualifying offer, Anderson is signed and Bonner re-signs for the vet minimum). The Spurs would still have access to the MLE.
*(Note) Thought it is an interesting idea to discuss. After watching him struggle in Indiana playing PG, I wonder how well he'd fit into the current incarnation of the Spurs. A good case can be made that Mills is still a better fit on the Spurs and cheaper to.
Bird isn't going to let RC rape him twice.
No. He makes too much $$$ for what he brings to the table. It's the reason he was traded in the first place, the anticipated payday.
In addition, Indy probably already feels stung from the original trade. If we get Hill back for scraps, it will almost look like they GAVE Kawhi to us.
He'd certainly be hesitant ,but then again, Phoenix made off with Plumlee the 27th pick and Green for an declining Scola just last year.
But that`s diffrent
I doubt he'd take Phoenix's phone calls, either.
We'd have to give up CoJo/Mills in that trade instead of Errors tbh. Moot point tho, as much as I want Hill back he doesn't fill a need.
Don't want Hill. I'm glad the Spurs sold high and never had to pay him market value, because he's not worth anything close to the money he got for looking good in the eyeball test (athletic, long arms, good shooter). His defense against screens was horrible in San Antonio. As great as it was for the Spurs defense to lose Jefferson, I think Hill's absence was huge too.
Wouldn't mind having Hill back tbh but not for Belli
I like George Hill..but at the free throw line in crunch time..it seems he always chokes at least one.
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I liked him when he had a rookie scale contract. Not now making 8m/year. He is a MLE player at best.
No. Pop has a thing about getting rid of anyone named "Hill".
On point as always. Don't want Hill here.
I really like the idea even it's not all that realistic. Good thread. You replace Marco with Hill and there's basically no hole in the rotation anymore... Could be hard to keep everyone happy tho...
Why would you want hill? The most interesting part about that trade, to me, is the draft picks. Hill is a really ty point in the nba, and that is saying something because Mario Chalmers is a starting PG in the nba... CJ and Mills are both better at the 1 than Hill. Corey will get better with experience. Hill, I believe, is maxed out.
PATFO's greatest accomplishment of 2011 was convincing the NBA that Hill was a PG.
Hill's contract is horrible, but if the Spurs decide to stay over the cap in 2015, it really doesn't matter. The first would be nice, because the Pacers may well implode. I'd rather get next year's pick, though.
Honestly, the biggest issue is that Hill is no longer a fit for this roster. He's been thoroughly replaced in every facet of his game by better players. Hill should get a lot of credit for essentially starting the Spurs' youth movement that revitalized the roster. But he'd stand in the way of progress now.
True dat. Hill is a bench type player. Spurs totally fleeced the Pacers on that trade. Essentially allowed the Spurs to sign Green, Splitter and kawhi as all their salaries combined matched Hills w the Pacers. To top it off, Bertans actually looks like a damn good player as well.
Regarding "rape".
No way
I agree 100%.
As frustrated as the Pacers with Hill, all their other PG choices are even worse.
Agree. Add to that the fact that defensively he has a huge gaping hole in his game (can't deal with screens) and for the Spurs, Belli>>Hill
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