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    Well, he did pull it off with the big three. I mean, Lebron could've told them to go play in Cleveland. I think Pat and Arison sold them a better image of the future.
    I think they already knew the endorsement money would be better in Miami. It just wasn't a hard sell after the guys decided on it before even talking to the FO.

    And there have been good role players, but none of them really took any of the mileage and wear off Wade or Bosh or kept James from being at once the leading scorer and designated defensive stopper. Those three made it ridiculously easy to put just a couple of reliable pieces around them and win. When one of them fell off a bit, there was no one else to even partially fill that role.

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    I think they already knew the endorsement money would be better in Miami. It just wasn't a hard sell after the guys decided on it before even talking to the FO.

    And there have been good role players, but none of them really took any of the mileage and wear off Wade or Bosh or kept James from being at once the leading scorer and designated defensive stopper. Those three made it ridiculously easy to put just a couple of reliable pieces around them and win. When one of them fell off a bit, there was no one else to even partially fill that role.
    Looking at the four year span, I thought guys like Battier, Mike Miller, Allen were all great pieces for them that came up big when a guys like Wade or Bosh were struggling (especially in the '13 playoffs). I certainly agree that's much easier to get those guys when you have such a core. They definitely couldn't survive Lebron being worn out.

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    Looking at the four year span, I thought guys like Battier, Mike Miller, Allen were all great pieces for them that came up big when a guys like Wade or Bosh were struggling (especially in the '13 playoffs). I certainly agree that's much easier to get those guys when you have such a core. They definitely couldn't survive Lebron being worn out.
    And they couldn't make up for Wade's trouble and they couldn't field a standard size lineup with any effectiveness that would take pressure off Bosh.

    Having those three on the team and healthy really made things too easy for Riley. Now they are trying to make his job easier again. Is this guy lucky or what?

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    Durant, Westbrook, Reggie Jackson and Ibaka still a bigger nightmare for the Spurs than Miami, tbh.
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    Even the press wanted Labron in Miami I dont think it was a jedi master plan, after that all the s wanted to join the Cheat to win the easy ring.
    Since Shames played 4 finals in 4 seasons common sense tells me he will stay there.

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    DWade is sort of like TD in that he has so much history with his team. The Heat will continue to pay Wade his "life time acheivement" contract even though his game has dropped off considerably. I don't blame them. The Spurs would do the same for Tim. The difference is, I believe Tim will recognize when the "wheels fall off", and retire accordingly. I don't think DWade will.

    I actually think LeBron is better off going else where, but with Wade and Haslem opting out, I think it's almost guaranteed LeBron will be back with the Heat. And unfortunately for James, regardless of the free agent deals they make, he's going to continue spending alot of time doing this...


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    And they couldn't make up for Wade's trouble and they couldn't field a standard size lineup with any effectiveness that would take pressure off Bosh.

    Having those three on the team and healthy really made things too easy for Riley. Now they are trying to make his job easier again. Is this guy lucky or what?
    They did sort out a similar situation in the 2013 ECF, but this Spurs team was really dominant. In hindsight, losing Mike Miller was probably a problem for them (despite Rashard making shots against us, Miller had the higher BB IQ). Battier and Allen both started to show their age too.

    About luck, I just think Pat has made generally good decisions. He put the Heat on the map even before the big 3, with their championship in 2006. There might be some luck involved, but I actually think he's extremely competent in what he does.

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    Melo on the Heat would really suck tbh... He's an even better low post player than Lebron, they'd have mismatches at will...
    He is not going to the heat. Who the would give him an ounce of credit for winning a championship with LeBron James? He needs to prove that he can contend with a team that he is the man on that is not happening in Miami.

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    They did sort out a similar situation in the 2013 ECF, but this Spurs team was really dominant. In hindsight, losing Mike Miller was probably a problem for them (despite Rashard making shots against us, Miller had the higher BB IQ). Battier and Allen both started to show their age too.

    About luck, I just think Pat has made generally good decisions. He put the Heat on the map even before the big 3, with their championship in 2006. There might be some luck involved, but I actually think he's extremely competent in what he does.
    Getting the tail end of prime Shaq helped. Just saying he's another guy who had so many built-in market advantages it's hard to avoid being good. I'll agree he's good, but I won't go much further. I would call this summer his first real challenge but he already has his stars clearing the way for him unsolicited. Who else has ever gotten that kind of a head start?

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    I'll never be upset or "terrified" or disappointed after this championship. I can't see anything ever topping it tbh.
    Agreed. If Miami rebounds and wins the championship next year even if it comes at our expense it is what it is. We got number five and we should be grateful and incredibly happy for it..

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    Getting the tail end of prime Shaq helped. Just saying he's another guy who had so many built-in market advantages it's hard to avoid being good. I'll agree he's good, but I won't go much further. I would call this summer his first real challenge but he already has his stars clearing the way for him unsolicited. Who else has ever gotten that kind of a head start?
    He reminds me a lot of Dr Buss (RIP) for some reason.

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    So, in your opinion the Heat ends up with Gasol too.
    I thought about that too. Even if LeBron gets max, I think they might be able to make that work.

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    This is the summer of GETTING WHAT IM WORTH imo. Lebron, Jason Kidd's trying to do the same and i wouldn't be surprised if Bosh tried to do the same too. I think in the back of their minds they realize, 'we saw it work for a bit but now it has run it's course'. I'm having a hard time seeing players flock and take a paycut to a Miami Heat team dismantled with only Bron, Wade and maybe Bosh on it now that trio is old news now.
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    Agreed. If Miami rebounds and wins the championship next year even if it comes at our expense it is what it is. We got number five and we should be grateful and incredibly happy for it..
    Yes indeed!

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    Miami doesn't concern me as much as Ok, Dallas, Houston, and even others in the West. Miami will be the same, with the same coach who doesn't coach.

    Put POP in Miami at the beginning of last year, and Spoelstra in San Antonio...and Miami wins the Championship. Pop knows how to develop and use players on the Bench during the regular season He woulda controlled minutes during the season, and got the most of his 2nd and 3rd group. Spoelstra just puts Superstars on the floor and hopes for the best.

    No, Miami doesn't concern me as much as a myriad of teams in the West do.

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    So yea, pretty much exactly what I said. Two unproven rookies.

    McGary better than Splitter? I'm not going to even validate that with a legitimate response...
    No, two ready rookies that upgrade their team, make them more solid offensively with crazy defense! And yes McGary eat Splitter to breakfast, same type big man only much tougher and with good jumper, also better finishing technique in the paint, not that ugly looking afraid hook shots of splitter...

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    Marketing.

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    Melo on the Heat would really suck tbh... He's an even better low post player than Lebron, they'd have mismatches at will...
    basically they would not be able to play half court though, so if you keep TO low and come back fast in transition, they have no answer.

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    No, two ready rookies that upgrade their team, make them more solid offensively with crazy defense! And yes McGary eat Splitter to breakfast, same type big man only much tougher and with good jumper, also better finishing technique in the paint, not that ugly looking afraid hook shots of splitter...
    who's this guy?

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    I'll never be upset or "terrified" or disappointed after this championship. I can't see anything ever topping it tbh.
    Agreed. If Miami rebounds and wins the championship next year even if it comes at our expense it is what it is. We got number five and we should be grateful and incredibly happy for it..
    Losers Alert!

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    who's this guy?
    some guy trying to hard to be that guy on the forums.

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    No, two ready rookies that upgrade their team, make them more solid offensively with crazy defense! And yes McGary eat Splitter to breakfast, same type big man only much tougher and with good jumper, also better finishing technique in the paint, not that ugly looking afraid hook shots of splitter...
    Considering you touted Tolliver as an upgrade over Bonner last summer, yeah, I'm just going to consider your ability to evaluate players as high as your ability to formulate a coherent sentence in English.

    Says the guy who was attention whoring by saying he wanted to kill himself over last year.

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    Considering you touted Tolliver as an upgrade over Bonner last summer, yeah, I'm just going to consider your ability to evaluate players as high as your ability to formulate a coherent sentence in English.
    First, i said last summer that it will be good move for the Spurs to amnesty Bonner and replace him with cheaper Tolliver cause it will free much needed cap space and also you don't lose much with Tolliver instead of Bonner... second, it seems to me that Tolliver had better season than Bonner who done basically nothing, you also would have been an upgrade over Bonner, so i don't know where you are coming from here...

    Says the guy who was attention whoring by saying he wanted to kill himself over last year.
    It's a lie, the attention is you, I'm just keeping it real...

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    First, i said last summer that it will be good move for the Spurs to amnesty Bonner and replace him with cheaper Tolliver cause it will free much needed cap space and also you don't lose much with Tolliver instead of Bonner... second, it seems to me that Tolliver had better season than Bonner who done basically nothing, you also would have been an upgrade over Bonner, so i don't know where you are coming from here...
    front office failed to be smart, they could have amnesty Bonner and sign Tolliver as replacment, it would have been an upgrade...
    yeah i agree, younger and better overall player at this point...
    better defender, better rebounder, better finisher...
    there are things that can't be measured only by statistic, Tolliver is no doubt better allaround player, has better instincs, better intensity and feel for the game, let him play for system like the Spurs and those days i belive he could ribute more than Bonner will, may also be able to show up in playoff...
    Oh my god, you can't even get your lies right.

    You called Tolliver an upgrade and a better player, you dumb . Don't try to hide behind 'you don't lose much'.

    It's a lie, the attention is you, I'm just keeping it real...
    You'd be on an obituary by now if you were keeping it real, attention .

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