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summertime Spurstalk in full effect tbh
yeah, I was thinking they might let him walk and re-sign him for the minimum if he wanted to stay, but he's a 5 year vet already, the min is actually basically what he's going to get.
they gotta give him a ring too, I thinking he might stay...
Last edited by ElNono; 06-29-2014 at 07:42 PM.
Must keep Baynes (he is a future starter, or at least 3rd big with another year or two of development), hope we keep Bonner for the minimum (very dependable stretch 4), lose Daye (he's not an NBA player).
Since they acquired him, I thought they'd retain Daye and let Bonner walk, but now I'm thinking otherwise, for two reasons:
1) Even though Daye's best utilized as a stretch four, he can really only defend the position in select match-ups. This is important because, with Diaw aging and again playing for France this summer, they might want to rest him more next season. If not, if he suc bs to injury, then what? They'd be forced to play Daye solid minutes regardless of match-up.
2) The drafting of Anderson. Though more of a play making three (he lacks the strength to defend PF's in anything more than select match-ups), he's another defenseless forward, that lacks athleticism. They don't need three. They'd also probably prefer to leave a roster spot open, or at least fill it with a wing defender in the mold of James.
Wish they could get rid of Ayres and keep Baynes and Daye. That good for nothing Ayres is just like Jackie Butler. Spurs should think twice before listening to "advice" of asst coach/"friend" coach (Larry Brown). That Jackie Butler contract helped contribute to losing Scola.
Sounds like both are staying. Kinda disappointed, as I don't believe either has shown much promise thus far and I'd really like to see some of the new guys get a chance (Bertans, Denmon, Anderson).
Daye is kinda interesting. Baynes is what he is. A bruising big who can't shoot and has an extremely limited role regardless.
As long as they're both cheap, it's fine. Hope Bonner's only getting veteran's minimum if he isn't retiring.
That makes too much sense...wont happen.
You don't think that Daye can guard postmove-less Ibaka on the elbow in spot minutes and bother his 15ft jumper with his length? Even if he just plays solid team defense (ala Beli) the threat on offense is enough to make Ibaka respect him on D.
Given that Duncan isn't going to play more than high 20s mpg and Splitter isn't going to average much more than 20 mpg and that, between them, Ayres and Baynes, none has range beyond 18 (and the one who has range to 18 struggled from mid range last season), if Diaw goes down, they'd need Daye for significant minutes.
You can literally find a PF on almost every team that he'd have no shot at defending in the post and enough have credible enough threats at C that he couldn't be hid on them either. The lack of a true defensive position makes it virtually impossible for him to be a rotation player.
He's clearly talented enough offensively to be a deep bench option, but again, with Anderson on board, I can see them valuing either an open roster spot or a depth wing defender more.
The question is can he fill that role now, a roster spot is too valuable at the moment. With Anderson and the spurs likely to retain every other FA, cutting Daye would allow the spurs to use the MLE to fill out the final spot. Probably about the same 24 mpg. I don't think he he'd drop below 20. He could sit more games to rest with Beli taking a bigger role.
How about this lineup for the 2nd team:
Anderson - PG 6'9"
Manu - SG 6'6"
Daye - SF 6'11"
Diaw - PF 6'8"
Baynes - C 6'10"
Hmmm.... extremely long.... extremely slow.
What's interesting about him? The only thing he has shown so far is the ability to make some threes against the worst team in the NBA. He didn't show up in any of his other games. He can't play defense. He makes Kevin Durant look like prime Schwarzenegger. There's nothing interesting about him. We got guys in Europe who can do his job as well prospects in the Toros.
If David Lee can do it, so can Baynes.
Believe!
looking at our last two playoff opponents, none possess a PF with a punishing post game. Ibaka and bosh love hanging out on the elbows for that 15 ft jumper. I'm not saying he's ideal, but in certain situations Daye isn't completely unless on D in spot minutes. The NBA has changed a lot, and one of the biggest ways is in the PF position. It's the reason why pop was able to get away with starting bonner in the OKC series
They account for 2 out of the other 29. Most teams have someone who's a decent enough threat to punish him. Heck, I remember Young posting him for profit and he's more SF than PF.
Certain match-ups . . . so you agree with me. He's fine as a deep bench option, not as a rotation player, which he'd have to be in the scenario I outlined.
The difference between him and Bonner is, the latter has a defined defensive position, which means he can be a rotation player regardless of match-up, if necessary, which it would be in the event Diaw were injured.
If Anderson didn't fall to them and Capela or Bogdanovic did, they more than likely go draft and stash and this probably all becomes irrelevant, since they'd retain an open roster spot.
Yes. We're getting short on roster spots. I know he might not get a spot, now. When Anderson was drafted I worried about Daye. I was confident before that. I've said it too much, but since it was asked, I like his passing off the drives past the close-out defender, etc. Passing in general. He is so adept with the ball. Better ball handler than Matty or Danny. His shooting stroke I like, for sure, if he can be consistent. Blocks and disrupted passing lanes. His salary. His pedigree. That's all interesting. Once he gets headed to the basket, I could see him making a lot of dishes to big men, or finishing. He can score. In this system he might be a monster, considering what he cost, especially.
It's a joke to hear people say he "hasn't shown much" when he hasn't gotten a training camp in and only 115 minutes of play, total, spread over 14 games, the last few of which he was injured and had strep throat and was probably just trying to fit in. Finley struggled with that, Jefferson, etc. He did well enough, given that, and even had some flashes of brilliance that are always dismissed for one reason or another. I would like to see him get a full year after training camp. He may not improve. If so, I'm all for moving on.
All that being said, we'll do just fine without him if he's cut. What an embarrassment of riches.
Last edited by littlecoyotecoin; 06-30-2014 at 10:21 AM.
I see Baynes on the roster for sure next season, I also see Daye too but him being 70/30.
Baynes has only been playing basketball since he was 16 so if the spurs continue to develop him he can become a serviceable player.
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