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    I mistyped Stoudimire before and it auto corrected it to "semi retired"

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    I guess Boris is delaying a contract until the cap space teams miss out on Melo/Bron/Bosh? Smart as he'll have more leverage.

    I could see the Spurs doing a 3yr/24mil for him by the end of next week tbh.
    Nah. I think that Boris just doesn't see it as a big rush. Remember how long it took for him to pick up his option last season? He just saw the Spurs take care of Mills, so he knows they'll give him a fair deal.

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    I mistyped Stoudimire before and it auto corrected it to "semi retired"
    Legendary.

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    I agree, no rush. Besides they can use him to mentor Anderson too. No rush.
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    I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that "mentoring" is a term that is way overused when it comes to NBA athletes. Some veterans are locker room leaders and may pass along advice but the teams have coaches. I used to crack up when I would see people say that "insert-name" here would be someone that could be mentored by Bruce Bowen. Bruce Bowen was a player, not a coach. He had a job to do and he did it. Advice or giving pointers is one thing but being a "mentor" is something totally different. That is a very active role that goes beyond occasional pointers and advice.

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    According to Mid-Level Exceptional, the Spurs started just a hair below $8M, sans the new contracts for Mills, Cotton, and Daye. Assuming all those are accounted for, the Spurs have around...$2M-$3M in cap space? Cap space hypothetically shouldn't matter because of Diaw's bird rights, which inevitably will allow the Spurs to use the MLE, though roster spots are mostly filled.

    Quite wary for Baynes, because Ginobili tweeted bringing back Diaw and Bonner is a priority. QO for Baynes still stands, however.

    Mid-Level Exceptional: http://midlevelexceptional.com/2014/...-space-primer/
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    According to Mid-Level Exceptional, the Spurs started just a hair below $8M, sans the new contracts for Mills, Cotton, and Daye. Assuming all those are accounted for, the Spurs have around...$2M-$3M in cap space? Cap space hypothetically shouldn't matter because of Diaw's bird rights, which inevitably will allow the Spurs to use the MLE, though roster spots are mostly filled.

    Quite wary for Baynes, because Ginobili tweeted bringing back Diaw and Bonner is a priority. QO for Baynes still stands, however.

    Mid-Level Exceptional: http://midlevelexceptional.com/2014/...-space-primer/
    Cap space is irrelevant, because the Spurs haven't been under the cap at all this off-season. That article was discussing the maximum possible cap space if the Spurs renounced all their free agents and their other cap holds. But it wouldn't have been enough cap space to be meaningful, so they didn't. They can resign their guys, use the MLE, use the bi-annual exception, sign their rookie Anderson, and sign minimum players (subject to available roster spots).

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    Cap space is irrelevant, because the Spurs haven't been under the cap at all this off-season. That article was discussing the maximum possible cap space if the Spurs renounced all their free agents and their other cap holds. But it wouldn't have been enough cap space to be meaningful, so they didn't. They can resign their guys, use the MLE, use the bi-annual exception, sign their rookie Anderson, and sign minimum players (subject to available roster spots).
    Yes thank you, aforementioned cap space is irrelevant because of cap holds. Still wouldn't change if Diaw bolted for another squad, and attaining $8M would've required renouncing cap holds for all their free agents. It isn't an issue of money but rather who gets to fill the remaining roster spots we have left. People were saying Diaw was a lock to return but it's highly understandable if he wants to survey the market.

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    Sorry to say this but Diaw ain't worth 10M. The max I see him get is 8M and i do hope the Spurs are the one that get him.
    People still ing that the Spurs paid Splitter his precise market value while suggesting that the Spurs should pay Boris in excess of his market value.

    Holding both thoughts in one head must be painful.
    If they only want him to sign 2 years instead of 3 or 4 they'll probably have to overpay for them.

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    I can't seem to locate where the new CBA addresses this...but can we give Diaw a heavily front end weighted contract to allow us to take advantage of the extra space under the tax this year and cancel out the big increase Kawhi will get next year...ie.. 12M, 4M, 4M

    Thanks in advance

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    Bringing Boris back is obviously priority. Did we hold on to Daye?

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    Bringing Boris back is obviously priority. Did we hold on to Daye?
    Yeah, they guaranteed Daye's deal.

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    Yeah, they guaranteed Daye's deal.
    Thanks!

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    Might as well give Boris whatever he wants. Not like SA is going to use their cap space on any meaningful FA.

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    I can't seem to locate where the new CBA addresses this...but can we give Diaw a heavily front end weighted contract to allow us to take advantage of the extra space under the tax this year and cancel out the big increase Kawhi will get next year...ie.. 12M, 4M, 4M

    Thanks in advance
    Decreases are limited to 7.5% of the first year salary. Take a look at Splitter's contract for an example: $10.0MM, $9.25MM, $8.5MM, $8.25MM. In your example, the excess decrease over 7.5% would be treated as a signing bonus and spread over the life of the deal.

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    Can't believe people are saying Diaw isn't worth a pretty penny. We hadn't made the Finals in several years, and he was arguably the difference maker against OKC and Miami. You can't lose h and a chance to repeat on account of a couple million.

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    Decreases are limited to 7.5% of the first year salary. Take a look at Splitter's contract for an example: $10.0MM, $9.25MM, $8.5MM, $8.25MM. In your example, the excess decrease over 7.5% would be treated as a signing bonus and spread over the life of the deal.
    Thanks

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    Boris aint going anywhere. Boris is Boris because of the system he is playing in.

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    Have you seen Gasol play recently? He is near done. You think Duncan has lost foot speed - Kyle Anderson is faster than Gasol....
    Wait, what?

    2014 stats:

    17.4 PPG
    9.7 RPG
    3.4 APG

    0.5 SPG
    1.5 BPG

    48% FG%
    73.6% FT%

    31.4 MPG
    19.3 PER


    Those are "near done" stats? And that's a winner playing depressed on a dead team with a bad coach and bad players around him like Diaw was before we got him.

    The biggest knock on Gasol was, "he won't be able to give you more than like 30 good minutes a game". And Spurs fans all know 30 good minutes is actually a LOT.


    If we can keep Diaw and get Gasol (even at the cost of Spitter) we're going to be in GREAT shape.

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    Can't believe people are saying Diaw isn't worth a pretty penny. We hadn't made the Finals in several years, and he was arguably the difference maker against OKC and Miami. You can't lose h and a chance to repeat on account of a couple million.
    It's hilarious when people (mostly big-headed BNSFs these days - not you, I'm thinking of other people in this thread who I won't name) imply that they know what Diaw's market value is before the Spurs or any team has even tendered an offer. The Spurs, by definition, will pay either market value or less for Diaw. That's how it works. There isn't a player in the league who's paid "above" market value. One is tempted to look at Kobe Bryant given that he doesn't have the skills of a $30M/year player, but the Lakers made $100M in profit this year and a large part of that is presumably due to Kobe's off-the-court cache.

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    This is Boris' last big payday need to get it right patience fellow Spurs fans.

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    3yr 16mil

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    Can't believe people are saying Diaw isn't worth a pretty penny. We hadn't made the Finals in several years, and he was arguably the difference maker against OKC and Miami. You can't lose h and a chance to repeat on account of a couple million.
    Ignore the binary thinking morons. Truth is going to be somewhere in the middle.

    He has less leverage than his performance would normally dictate because of his age and because of what went on in Charlotte.

    I have heard $6m AAV tossed about and 3/18 would be good for both parties.

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    Wait, what?

    2014 stats:

    17.4 PPG
    9.7 RPG
    3.4 APG

    0.5 SPG
    1.5 BPG

    48% FG%
    73.6% FT%

    31.4 MPG
    19.3 PER


    Those are "near done" stats? And that's a winner playing depressed on a dead team with a bad coach and bad players around him like Diaw was before we got him.

    The biggest knock on Gasol was, "he won't be able to give you more than like 30 good minutes a game". And Spurs fans all know 30 good minutes is actually a LOT.


    If we can keep Diaw and get Gasol (even at the cost of Spitter) we're going to be in GREAT shape.
    I dont trust those stats. Kent Bazemore scored 13ppg for that team. That dude cant even shoot 60% from the FT line and HES A 2

    Im cool with Gasol fro MLE, as long as we keep Boris and Tiago (Im the biggest Tiago hater on here, and wouldnt trade him for Gasol)

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    It's hilarious when people (mostly big-headed BNSFs these days - not you, I'm thinking of other people in this thread who I won't name) imply that they know what Diaw's market value is before the Spurs or any team has even tendered an offer. The Spurs, by definition, will pay either market value or less for Diaw. That's how it works. There isn't a player in the league who's paid "above" market value. One is tempted to look at Kobe Bryant given that he doesn't have the skills of a $30M/year player, but the Lakers made $100M in profit this year and a large part of that is presumably due to Kobe's off-the-court cache.
    MARKET VALUE is the price at which an asset would trade in a compe ive auction setting. Market value is often used interchangeably with open market value, fair value or fair market value, although these terms have distinct definitions in different standards, and may differ in some cir stances.

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