Joseph is the back backup PG. He's not leaving. Cotton is more likely to never play an NBA game than he is to beat Cory out this year.
He's the backup's backup. Next man up by default the new backup, until the real backup gets back up. But, he can be improved upon. Bryce is small, and his chances are slim, granted. I expect him not to make the team. But, that wasn't the question I mean to ask. I take it you think the chances are GOOD that we would be able to trade Cojo for a 2nd round pick, as you think that highly of him? If we were so inclined.
No, man. You asked what the chances were that Joseph would be traded. I'd say they are almost non-existent. As to whether someone would take him. Yes, they would.
No, dude. COULD. Get off your high horse, again. Reread.
Those sentences are logically equivalent. In fact, your sentence is redundant. You're asking of there is a possibility of there being a possibility of Joseph being traded. Theoretically, yes, but functionally, no.
I'm very disappointed in this signing for 2 reasons: One, Bryce Cotton is just not a very good basketball player. He averaged 39.9 minutes out of 40 his senior season at Providence, and being a diehard college basketball fan, I watched more than my fair share of Providence games. Cotton DOMINATED the ball like no one else. And he's not a pass-first PG by any means. Nor is he a shooting specialist like Patty Mills. He's someone who has never played anything close to Spurs basketball in his life, and that's very concerning.
Second, there's just no room on this roster, and signing Cotton (and assuming he makes the roster out of training camp) clogs up the back-up PG position once again. We don't need another back-up PG, as Joseph is more than capable, and IMO, much better than Cotton as it stands now. And if Cotton makes the roster, it will mean Matt Bonner won't be on the team, and Ginobili recently said that bringing Matt Bonner back is crucial. Cotton being on the roster creates a fair amount of animosity amongst the players, as Bonner is beloved, and Joseph was eying his chance to prove himself.
There are some pros to signing Cotton though. He's a very mature and good kid, who will work very hard from day one. Also, he's an exceptional driving PG, and his speed and quickness off the bench could help the second unit tremendously. He's a streaky shooter, and a "meh" defender and rebounder, but he is a very fierce compe or, and it's unlikely that there would be a significant drop-off when he comes in.
My prediction: We re-sign Matt Bonner, sign Kyle Anderson, and reach the max 15 roster spots when Baynes accepts the QO. Then Cotton gets cut in training camp and goes to the Toros instead, waiting to see if we need him while Patty Mills is out.
The way I figure this signing, the Spurs didn't need yet another Patty Mills like player, however they may have been extremely impressed with Cotton's talent and work ethic that they could not pass not signing him.
He's too small for the NBA, however that 40" vertical is indeed impressive.
With Mills being out for most of the season, it would be highly doubtful that Cojo would be traded since after Tony, Cojo is the PG, in fact ONLY PG left, who is most familiar with the Spurs system.
He could be traded, yes, but they would be stabbing themselves in the foot to do so.
Cotton still has to make the team.
Sheesh. No, asking what are the chances we COULD find a taker for Cojo (if Bryce Cotton impressed, or anyone else for that matter- as roster spots aren't available) as opposed to whether or not we actually WOULD are not logically equivalent.
When you find out you misread, you don't get to redefine the statement to be equivalent to what you wanted it to say. I misread and lose focus, sometimes multi-tasking, etc. it's no big deal to admit you're wrong, really.
Mature, a hard worker...sounds like the type of player you want in training camp, when you need the bodies. It's very unlikely he makes the team, but if he impresses the team enough for them to move someone else at the bottom of the roster--I nominate Ayres!--then that's a good problem to have. Failing that if he shows promise, the Toros will at least have first DL dibs on him.
First time I heard that Ginobili mention bringing back Matt Bonner. Link please?
The Spurs are taking a gamble here that his shooting, passing and defensive deficiencies can be corrected. The Spurs coaching staff are definitely much better than Providence. The Spurs may probably just play him the way the Spurs play Mills. Run around the court and catch and shoot. Not someone who would run the offense. I in fact doubt the Spurs will let Cotton or Anderson run the offense.
Which brings me to the question of Anderson. I doubt he'll be playing point guard for the Spurs. If not though, will he be playing PF like Diaw?
FWIW this seems a more likely scenario than many others from what We read here and abroad. So, probably no reason to be upset about it.
I'm still wondering why we need another point guard. Parker and Cojo are natural point guards. Anderson played point guard in college. Manu is more than capable of orchestrating the offense. Diaw can run the offense too. That's 5 players. That's not even including Patty Mills. C'mon, there's comes a point when you have too many point guards!
Anyway, I still like the signing. If he can shoot like Patty then this would be a steal.
I think we would all nominate Ayres, but I doubt they want four small guards on the roster. Of course, they only have two for 7 months.
I already answered that question. I thought with all the fluff about losing his spot, you were talking about trading him and not his value.
Rolls need to be slowed.
What, did Cotton back out again?
Yes. They will probably make due just fine until Patty comes back. But, what if Anderson doesn't take to NBA point forward (good chance), what if Ginobili is out simultaneously with Patty (decent chance). Then you have only Tony, Cojo, and I guess Marco...maybe...pickin's start getting a little slimmer at that point. Tony ends up playing lots of minutes. Bad. Cojo is serviceable, but not great. He'll be ok, in an offense that gets play-making from other sources. He's been here years so I don't think Pop ships him out, especially with Patty in a way, but if anyone is signed someone's gotta go. (Assuming Baynes and Bonner come back.) The leisure we have of talking about the 16th spot: MLE, BAE, signings above and beyond Matty and Baynes. They would have to be considered in conjunction with trades. We're close to a full stack. One in, one out. So who's out? Matty? Ayres? Cojo? Daye? Marco?
Right. This gives them almost 4 months to decide whether they need to commit a roster spot to Cotton.
Why oh why didn't the Spurms release Daye? We could use his roster spot for someone useful.
In the off chance they think they need a scoring guard/play-making guard, that's where the speculation becomes interesting. Could you trade Cojo? If they had to bring in Bryce, Cojo almost has to be letting them down. Maybe you can't find a trade for Cojo, so who's next?
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Not sure why this would make anyone very disappointed. Basically, it's no different then anyone else deciding to play for the Spurs Summer League team except the Spurs get first dibs on him if he turns out to be solid. If he doesn't, then they both move on.
The Spurs can carry 20 players through training camp. Daye played well enough in limited minutes to warrant a better look. They'll get that chance to evaluate him fully in training camp and decide if he's worth retaining. He's basically making the vet min, so it's not like they're tied to him for any real money.
Personally, I'd keep him as the Bonner replacement. But I understand people who have different opinions.
And, 250k of it they would have had to pay him anyway.
Http://www.twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN doesn't take a lot of reading to acquaint oneself with the signing
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