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Last season, Diaw had 222 assists and 121 turnovers, for a 1.83 assist-to-turnover ratio.
McRoberts had 333 assists and 83 turnovers, for a 4.01 assist-to-turnover ratio.
However you look at it, McRoberts had an impressive year as a point forward.
Good signing. Passing big is still a passing big. Not bad for the MLE. Solid outside stroke too.
Last season, Diaw had 222 assists and 121 turnovers, for a 1.83 assist-to-turnover ratio.
McRoberts had 333 assists and 83 turnovers, for a 4.01 assist-to-turnover ratio.
However you look at it, McRoberts had an impressive year as a point forward.
I agree, impressive. Good touch from the outside too, skill set is very intriguing. Hard to argue with people who base another player's performance off a few games though, like he watched every single Bobcats (EDIT: Hornets) game. Pretty much an impasse
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Is McRoberts Miami's answer to our Diaw matchup nightmare then? Seems that way.
Miami adding some versatility to their bench
If Bosh returns, I imagine the Heat will start McRoberts at PF and Bosh at C.
Its not about what he is worth, its about him doing them a solid and opting out of $41 million over the next two seasons.
It could be in that range, maybe $56-$60 million. It wouldn't make any sense for him to opt out without some type of assurance that he'd make significantly more over the course of his next deal.
His value is still above $10 million easily in real market value its probably $ 12-14 million ,a season, anyway. Save for the Finals he was actually very good when he played.
Probably or they could bring back Lewis as a starter and try to bolster their bench. Either way they can space the floor like no other team.
Bosh is a perfect fit in Houston and his numbers have been suppressed in Miami. A very good team defender and has added a consistent 3pt shot to his already elite mid range jump shot. If teams believed that they could get him, they probably would pay the max.
He is probably worth 4 years $60 million but overpaying to have a legit le contender for the foreseeable future (Beverly, Harden, Parson,Bosh and Howard stack up with ours and the Thunders starting units very well) with the Spurs having possibly another season and OKC having Duran't hitting free agency in two seasons, it would be ludicrous not to make that offer.
Houston is throwing a 4 year max his way, hoping the money over a shorter span, playing in his home state and around a better core is enough of a selling point.
...against ty compe ion as a high usage player on a team that still only finished a couple of games above .500 in the East.
He's a nice bench player and a good passer for a big, but comparing him to Diaw is very much a reach...especially with his assist numbers being a one year anomaly. In fact...one could easily assume he was putting up good numbers on a bad team in order to get paid. Meanwhile, Diaw has been a known commodity as a point forward for his entire career. Diaw's only problem is he get's fat and unmotivated, which seems to get solved when he plays for a winner.
He will help the Heat, butat him being any kind of game changer like Diaw is for the Spurs.
I don't spend my free time chomping at burgers and croissants like Diaw does
Dwayne Wade-32 Years Old-19 PPG, 54.5% FG 4.5 RPG, 4.7 APG, 3.0 T.O.Vs, 1.5 SPG 22 P.E.R
Russell Westbrook-25 Years Old-21.8 PPG , 43.7 FG% 6.9 APG, 3.8 T.O.Vs, 1.9 SPG, 5.7 RPG, 24.7 P.E.R. making $15 million next season
Wade is still worth more than $10 million
It would be very interesting if Riley decided to let Bosh walk, and replaced him with two or three players in order to gain depth. They could possibly get a combination of players like Greg Monroe, Al Farouq Aminu, and Ekpe Udoh for the same price as Bosh... It would make them an instantly deeper team.
Nope. A guy on a bad team who sits at the high post and hits cutters is NOT the same thing as Diaw. If anyone cared about the Bobcats last year, they would have gotten right up into his body. If he puts the ball on the floor, you win. He's not doing anything off the dribble. His passing vision is also impaired and you're right in his face if he want to shoot.
They'd be stupid. Wade was extensively rested, and played a lopsided EC heavy schedule. When it really mattered, and he couldn't rest, he broke down. The above just shows how empty stats can be. If you sign him, you HAVE to know that this year was not an aberration, and that it will only get worse. The starting point is probably a 60 regular season game limit, and a progressive degradation as the comp gets better deep in the playoffs.Dwayne Wade-32 Years Old-19 PPG, 54.5% FG 4.5 RPG, 4.7 APG, 3.0 T.O.Vs, 1.5 SPG 22 P.E.R
Russell Westbrook-25 Years Old-21.8 PPG , 43.7 FG% 6.9 APG, 3.8 T.O.Vs, 1.9 SPG, 5.7 RPG, 24.7 P.E.R. making $15 million next season
Wade is still worth more than $10 million
...against ty compe ion as a high usage player on a team that still only finished a couple of games above .500 in the East.
He's a nice bench player and a good passer for a big, but comparing him to Diaw is very much a reach...especially with his assist numbers being a one year anomaly. In fact...one could easily assume he was putting up good numbers on a bad team in order to get paid. Meanwhile, Diaw has been a known commodity as a point forward for his entire career. Diaw's only problem is he get's fat and unmotivated, which seems to get solved when he plays for a winner.
He will help the Heat, but
In McRoberts' first season with Charlotte, he posted the best rebounding numbers of his career. Like Diaw, he's an average rebounder. But in his second season, he was specifically used as a passer in the role of point-forward, and posted the best assists per game average and assist-to-turnover ratio of his career. It's an "anomaly" because it was the first time in his career that he was used in that specific role. He's also only 27 years old. Again, I never said McRoberts was "better" than Diaw. I said they had similar games. Sure there are many factors involved, but it's hard to argue with 111 more assists and 38 fewer turnovers.
Not if you realize that Diaw is like one of FIVE OR SIX GUYS that handle the rock here and that he passes on the move, cutting into his a/TO ratio.
I've never seen a poster so eager to disparage a great assist-to-turnover ratio from a power forward.Again, I never said McRoberts was "better" than Diaw. I said they had similar games.
Didn't say he was the same thing as Diaw. For starters, McBob didn't kick off his career as an SG/SF like Diaw did, never had the benefit of growing with a French basketball star for a mother. Can't point to Steve Clifford's system since McRoberts has been an efficient passer since his days in Duke. Even if he were a homeless man's version if Diaw, $5M is a bargain for someone younger and more athletic. May not have Diaw's BBIQ but that's what you pay Diaw the extra $2M for. Just because Diaw was the bee's knees in the finals doesn't mean he's the perfect archetype of a passing big. You can bust your nuts arguing for Diaw but I never said he was the same thing. Said he was a passing big; no more, no less.
All that is true, and even then, his actual stats aren't that great
I don't give two s about his a/TO ratio. It's the GREATEST IN THE HISTORY OF THE NG UNIVERSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you happy? Because having a shiny a/TO ratio doesn't make his game remotely resemble Boris's.
Its actually pretty easy to argue when a player plays almost 400 more minutes against ty teams.
Their games are not the same at all...and one good passing year on a ty team playing against ty compe ion doesn't suddenly change that. Being a good passing big and being a point forward are two completely different things. This also justifies the higher turnover amount, because many times Diaw attempts the kind of passes only point guards can make and he's playing against much better teams.
With James Harden in Houston out there chucking up garbage and Dwight Howard needing his fair share of touches as well you're basically paying Chris bosh $20 million a year to put up about 15 points and seven rebounds. With those two players already in Houston he will play tentative and soft not wanting to step on any toes just like he has in Miami. Excuse me if I'm not exactly swooning over that possibility. It's a complete waste of money
When arguing from a standpoint of East vs West, it renders the argument practically moot because someone arguing for a WC team can easily disparage an argument with "his numbers don't mean a thing because he's playing against ty teams". Forgot to take into account the Bobcats, despite winning a small amount of games above .500, were in a division with four playoff teams. Three out of those four teams are probably worse than Phoenix but they played in arguably the East's best division. But then yeah, it's the EC. So this counts for nothing right?
When a player tries to make an assist a point guard tries to make frequently, and botches them against better teams, would you say that player is efficient? Why make risky passes against top flight compe ion?
Again I'm not arguing McRoberts =< Diaw, simply because I haven't watched the Bobcats all season long to draw a comparison, nor do I pretend to, unlike some who are quite ecstatic about Diaw's game. It however is hard to ignore the fact McRoberts has been solid this year, and his passing may actually prove to be a boon for Miami's offense.
So you guys are saying there are no similarities at all between Diaw & McRoberts?
McRoberts:
30 mpg, 8.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.3 apg, 36% 3ptFG%, 0.6 bpg, 0.7 spg
Diaw:
25 mpg, 9.1 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 2.8 apg, 40% 3ptFG%, 0.4 bpg, 0.6 spg
You seriously see no similarities between these two players?
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