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I agree.
I do believe Bosh's decision would trigger the rest of the FAs to start defining their future. No doubt.
Hopefully they all go east!
I am putting this scenario out there for discussion and debate to ponder over.
What I am reading of what many sports prognosticators are speculating is that the real reason that neither James nor Melo nor Gasol have made their decisions yet is because they are waiting on Bosh' decision.
It is known that Miami/Riley is low balling Bosh. This would appear under the surface to help influence Bosh to decide to take his talents elsewhere, such as Houston. Bosh even talked to James about the Houston offer and James was noncommittal.
Also it has been reported that Melo talked with Gasol to try to convince him to come to New York with him, but what if it were to go to Miami to play with him and James?
James and Riley may, or may not, have conceived this scenario together, or may, or may not, have included Melo in this plan, because the master plan would be to replace Bosh with Melo, and then lure Gasol to take much less to also play there and win championships.
So in a sense, Bosh is holding James' and/or Riley' plan hostage.
At this point, it is all conjecture, pure speculation, but I have to admit, it seems plausible.
A team of James, Melo, Wade (at half speed), and Gasol at age 34, along with the remaining new and old parts, would have to be considered the favorites, even over the Spurs.
Even if all this were to somehow come about as some sports people are saying, I still like my Spurs to repeat.
I agree.
I do believe Bosh's decision would trigger the rest of the FAs to start defining their future. No doubt.
Hopefully they all go east!
For that to happen, Gasol would have to take less than an MLE-type deal (and Miami would have to pull the offers to McRoberts and Granger, which would be VERY bad business ).I am putting this scenario out there for discussion and debate to ponder over.
What I am reading of what many sports prognosticators are speculating is that the real reason that neither James nor Melo nor Gasol have made their decisions yet is because they are waiting on Bosh' decision.
It is known that Miami/Riley is low balling Bosh. This would appear under the surface to help influence Bosh to decide to take his talents elsewhere, such as Houston. Bosh even talked to James about the Houston offer and James was noncommittal.
Also it has been reported that Melo talked with Gasol to try to convince him to come to New York with him, but what if it were to go to Miami to play with him and James?
James and Riley may, or may not, have conceived this scenario together, or may, or may not, have included Melo in this plan, because the master plan would be to replace Bosh with Melo, and then lure Gasol to take much less to also play there and win championships.
So in a sense, Bosh is holding James' and/or Riley' plan hostage.
At this point, it is all conjecture, pure speculation, but I have to admit, it seems plausible.
A team of James, Melo, Wade (at half speed), and Gasol at age 34, along with the remaining new and old parts, would have to be considered the favorites, even over the Spurs.
Even if all this were to somehow come about as some sports people are saying, I still like my Spurs to repeat.
I already said that is exactly what I'd do in the free agency thread. I didn't read it anywhere, I came up with it myself. The only problem is that they've offered McRoberts and Granger contracts, which I don't think would work with this scenario.
With only a rudimentary knowledge of the financial specifics involved, if any body could make this work, it would be Riley. The key domino is Bosh and the hole left by his salary. Secondary would be Wade and his new contract.
And third would be if Melo would take less than his reported max salary in order to play with James, in the short term, and Gasol to take significantly less to get more championships.
I don't think anyone is low balling Bosh he has become a soft perimeter player who just averaged a career low in rebounds and lowest scoring average since his rookie season in favor of being a low percentage (31%) 3-point shooter. This while Wade missed lots of time during the season. I think we have seen the best of Bosh, who appears to be on a Rashard Lewis-type of trajectory.
Mark my words the team that gets Bosh for a high dollar salary won't do a thing for the rest of his career. His contract will be like an albatross taking the applicable franchise down with him.
James and Melo play the same position it would be idiotic to pay them each max dollar to play on the same team.
I don't think you see both Melo and Gasol going to Miami. That's a mess of a team in any case. I personally find Melo close to inconsequential. He's not a winner and any team that gets him will have more subtle problems to cover than positives they've aquired.
I do think Gasol to Miami is a real possibility if Bosh leaves. That's still a good team, possibly even better, with Gasol minus Bosh.
If Bosh leaves, they become a "room" team. They will not be able to use MLE on McRoberts. Assuming Melo and Gasol both agree to go to Miami, Lebron, Melo, Gasol, Wade, McRoberts, Haslem(if he doesn't take minimum) and others will have to fit under the cap. Their new big three will all have to take significant pay cut to make it work. I don't see it happening.
You would have to convince Melo to take a massive pay cut (like a salary starting around 15-16 million) and then convince Gasol to play for peanuts. Not happening.
The contracts offered to McRoberts and Granger fit with the trio re-signing using their Bird rights, which I believe will be the route taken if LeBron and Bosh decide to go back to Miami.
Unless, as stated earlier, they pull the offers for McRoberts and Granger (considering they were only "verbal" agreements and not binding). This would be extremely bad for business and would be nefarious, but an option nonetheless.
I can't recall an instance where a team reneged on a publicly agreed upon deal.
CAA is not an agency you want to with.
A friend of mine called it sinister, but then he also said we are talking about Riley here and it sounds like a master plan that only Riley could pull off.
Lets also not forget how it would be to the Cleveland fans too, like James was teasing them again all over again.
I agree - and I can't see it happening realistically, but Riley could come out publicly and state that the deals were contingent on the Big 3 being retained (and everyone would buy into it, considering that cap space could be better spent - as opposed to the exceptions).
So..Where's the part about how it affects the Spurs. Is there a "part 2" to your thread?I am putting this scenario out there for discussion and debate to ponder over.
What I am reading of what many sports prognosticators are speculating is that the real reason that neither James nor Melo nor Gasol have made their decisions yet is because they are waiting on Bosh' decision.
It is known that Miami/Riley is low balling Bosh. This would appear under the surface to help influence Bosh to decide to take his talents elsewhere, such as Houston. Bosh even talked to James about the Houston offer and James was noncommittal.
Also it has been reported that Melo talked with Gasol to try to convince him to come to New York with him, but what if it were to go to Miami to play with him and James?
James and Riley may, or may not, have conceived this scenario together, or may, or may not, have included Melo in this plan, because the master plan would be to replace Bosh with Melo, and then lure Gasol to take much less to also play there and win championships.
So in a sense, Bosh is holding James' and/or Riley' plan hostage.
At this point, it is all conjecture, pure speculation, but I have to admit, it seems plausible.
A team of James, Melo, Wade (at half speed), and Gasol at age 34, along with the remaining new and old parts, would have to be considered the favorites, even over the Spurs.
Even if all this were to somehow come about as some sports people are saying, I still like my Spurs to repeat.
Best case scenario: everybody stays
Worst case scenario: Bosh to Rockets, Gasol to OKC, Melo and Lebron to Heat.
No Part 2 to my thread. This refers to The Decision first aired on ESPN back in 2010 and this being the second Decision that is being called by sportscasters as The Decision Part 2.
1. The Spurs do not get Gasol because he Could be going to the Heat with or without Melo.
2. The Spurs would no longer be favored.
3. And the possibility, and IMHO the bad business practice, that IF the Heat would have to renege on the verbal agreement with McRoberts, then he would be available to the Spurs.
I'm sure you can come up with more as well as I or the sportscasters can.
All I am doing is throwing it out here for discussion and/or debate as I originally said, and as I heard it on TV, because it is an interesting theory, I am not taking a side.
By the way if you read the thread le I used the words "Might" happen, and "May" affect the Spurs.
Last edited by xmas1997; 07-08-2014 at 01:09 PM.
Yeah this is definitely the most interesting free agency I've ever seen just in terms of the strategy involved. Who would have ever though Chris bosh would have this kind of impact on the future of the league potentially. Ideally for me bosh and wade stay in Miami, bron goes to Cleveland, and melo stays put. A pipe dream, but i would love it.
I agree with you on all your points.
Bosh likely goes to the Rockets if Bron leaves for CLE..
Thunder - Perkins + Gasol.
Rockets - Asik/Lin + Bosh.
Are the worst case scenarios. I would rank these two teams ahead of Spurs because the parts fit together too well and GDP core is another year older, without vengeance to fuel them.
Pop wasn't GOAT coach back in 1999 and he won a ring anyway. When you have enough talented players in their primes, you will overpower the opposition. Brooks/McHale are honestly not that far off from Rudy T of 94/95, they are "player's coaches" and if you give them players who complement each other perfectly, their relationship management is good enough to win.
Last edited by hitmantb; 07-08-2014 at 01:43 PM.
I think it has been reported in the Gasol thread that the Thunder are no longer in contention for Gasol at this point.
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Spurs staying diligent on free agent Pau Gasol, but Bulls and Thunder -- with Lakers lurking -- lead the way, sources tell Yahoo.
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League source tells me the Thunder, once confident they had a legit chance at Pau, now consider it a long shot to land Gasol
1:03 PM - 8 Jul 2014
I meant "long shot".
Thanks for the clarification.
1. Spurs do not get Gasol anyway you wanna look at it
2. Favored by who? ESPN? Probably not going to be favored under any scenario anyway, it's the Spurs.
3. McRoberts could be a nice addition, but not with the personnel the Spurs currently have. Someone would need to go, and now that his market value has been established, no way Spurs would pay 6 million a year for him.
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