KIDD K fakest spurs fan on this board. eat a , pal.
It's never a guarantee that an offer sheet gets handed out, particularly if there are several guys on the FA market. That offer sheet eats up cap space for a valuable 72 hours - particularly if you KNOW the other team will match it. I say why not let it play out and see if waiting to sign him can open up another signing next offseason.
It's true though. Plus facts on your "jokes" aren't even accurate.
For those who are saying nay to giving Kwahi the max, what's your alternative?
<crickets chirping>
No you only have to give him the max if another team offers him that, not if he asks for it...
The alternative is to entend him early at a discount or just wait and let another team set his value next season...
You can't just "extend him early at a discount". That is a contract I'm SURE he doesn't sign. Why would he? TEAMS WILL BE LINING UP TO MAX HIM OUT. Why can't you figure this out?
I know, but can see the best and worst-case scenarios, the worst for the Spurs? it isn't the extension for the max.
After the negotiations go nowhere, the speculation'll mess up the relationship between the player/his agent and the team, because he's absolutely convinced that he earns the extension like other young players in the league last years, and that's why he said what he said about the contract.
Next offseason the team'll match any offer for him, but don't expect it to be the same good relationship what it once was. He's too young and maybe can't put disappointment behind him, maybe he can't forget team's argument about he doesn't deserve the contract extension he requested -even if he gets the max after they match-.
Chemistry and good relationship are two invaluable intangible assets.
Dunno man unlike you I don't have a cristal ball and don't see into the future but next year is gonna be a huge year for UFAs let alone RFAs so really I wouldn't be the house on that but that's just me... Especially if he's back to his regular season production...
Teams that have the ability to give the max look for a first option or a defensive anchor in priority imo...
Besides there's plenty of reasons to agree to an early extension, protects him from a freak injury or a down year...
Last edited by Baam; 06-24-2014 at 01:33 AM.
The only reason to ever extend a rookie is to get him at a discount (ignoring attempts to sooth fragile egos and other meta things). The extension should always be for less than the max so that both parties have incentive to agree to it. In this case, extending Kawhi benefits him by guaranteeing him money earlier. He wouldn't have to worry about having a poor season next year and lowering his value or getting injured and losing altogether. But that security has to come at a cost, which takes the form of the Spurs saving a bit of salary.
Essentially, if Kawhi will only sign a max extension, then the Spurs shouldn't offer an extension at all. Leonard has to leverage to force a max deal, and he'd absorb all the risk by playing out next year. Sure, other teams may offer max offer sheets, but then the Spurs could just match those and still save a few million bucks over giving him the extension.
These teams are looking for the rare and extremely valuable piece they need to win a le, because they've already that player/first option, they want to complete the next Big duo or Big 3.
If Lebron and Durant are the biggest threats to any team in the league, it's probable that the guy who can successful play against them gets a max contract.
Last edited by wildchild; 06-24-2014 at 02:13 AM.
As great as Kawhi's been, I'd be surprised if both sides agreed to the max for Leonard.
In the past 18 years the Spurs have only dished out the max one time, and that was to Tim Duncan.
They've paid Manu and Tony in the past handsomely without using the max, I expect the same type of deal for Leonard (5 yr 55-65 mil). IMO
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 06-24-2014 at 06:30 AM.
Example A of how the market dictates a player's "worth":
Jodie Meeks. 3 years - 19+mil
Last Year: 33.2mpg / .463 fg / .401 3p / .857 ft / 2.5reb / 1.8ast / 1.4stl / 0.1blk / 1.4tov / 1.5pf / 15.7ppg / 19.1usg / 112 ortg / 113 drtg / .084 ws48 / 25-52 record
Prev 3 Yrs: 24.6mpg / .407 fg / .373 3p / .897 ft / 2.3reb / 0.9ast / 0.7stl / 0.1blk / 0.6tov / 1.3pf / 8.9ppg / 15.9usg / 113 ortg / 107 drtg / .109 ws48 / 120-98 rec
Neither line looks like it is worth at least 6 million dollars a year.
If so Patty's line is going to bring in crazy money:
18.9mpg / .464 fg / .425 3p / .890 ft / 2.1reb / 1.8ast / 0.8stl / 0.1blk / 0.8 tov / 1.4pf / 10.2ppg / 22.6usg / 115 ortg / 104 drtg / .175 ws48 / 62-19 record / plus Patty is a year younger and played more playoff minutes this year than meeks has played his whole career.
So if someone will pay a player worse than Mills more than 6 million, what do you think they will offer Leonard. I think the Parson's deal will be the ultimate comparison for what we should be expecting for Leonard. Because it will speak to the market for a two way wing player who can play small-ball PF.
Parsons only plays one way ball. Defense is that annoying time between running plays.
Kawhi seems like a loyal guy, he'll stay but it's gonna cost some serious cash.
Pretty much this.
I would disagree. I don't think he is great but I think he puts in the effort and holds his own. I wasn't comparing his D to Leonards, but in terms of how he compares to other wings, I personally think he plays better D. Either way, do you think I am wrong in stating that his salary numbers should be a strong indication of what we should expect for Leonard. If Parsons is making 12-14, then there is no way that Leonard doesn't get a max offer from someone. But if Parsons rakes in more like 8-10 then we can hope for a smaller payday with Leonard.
I would disagree. I don't think he is great but I think he puts in the effort and holds his own. I wasn't comparing his D to Leonards, but in terms of how he compares to other wings, I personally think he plays better D.Parsons only plays one way ball. Defense is that annoying time between running plays.
Either way, do you think I am wrong in stating that his salary numbers should be a strong indication of what we should expect for Leonard. If Parsons is making 12-14, then there is no way that Leonard doesn't get a max offer from someone. But if Parsons rakes in more like 8-10 then we can hope for a smaller payday with Leonard.
No, because Leonard actually IS a two way player. He can command more than Parsons.
maxing out Gordon Hayward
Yeah. So there's no reason to even ask about an extension. Leonard has to know he's getting the max next season.
Shorter contracts and lower pay raises from the 2011 CBA combined with rising revenue and the corresponding rising salary cap. Those factors are having their predictable effects on the FA market.
Anyone arguing that Kawhi will not command the max just has their head in the sand.
If Stephenson hadn't done all those stupid things during the ECF, he'd probably getting maxed out as well. And that's with all his other flaws.
No doubt about it.
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