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    Yes I think the dominoes in order of importance are LeBron, Melo, Bosh, and Gasol, but it may be correct that Bosh is the key to unlocking the riddle. Where he lands should determine a lot given he fancies himself a $20 million a year guy, which either causes him to leave the Heat or keeps them from getting any better.

    I guess one can debate that adding McRoberts, Granger, and Napier while dropping Battier and Chalmers makes them a little better but that's still not a very deep roster.

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    I could see this happening in regards to Melo and Lebron, but don't see Gasol taking the bait or them pulling the McRoberts deal. Pau can see the future well enough to know that Miami would definitely not be a long term plan and at the same time not earning anywhere close to his full earning potential. He could go to the Spurs or OKC for continued long term (i.e. Gasol could slide into Duncan's spot - Spurs retool a little, and he would start long term for OKC until he retires) winning and success and still get paid more money then what Miami could offer. Chicago and LA are the X factors in it all. They can both pay more than OKC or Spurs but can't guarantee that they will win or at least match the same success that the Spurs and Thunder have had and should continue to have. However, if Melo goes to LA, no question Gasol follows.
    Good point, I think the Lakers have the cash to land Melo and brng back Gasol. Throw in the rookie Randle and you only lack a point guard (Nash?) and a bench. If Nash/Bryant/Randle can play at all that team could have some moments though.

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    I really think Bosh will take the max in HOU.

    Melo and LBJ wouldn't work, so I hope Miami do that.

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    Rockets aren't going to get Bosh because nobody is going to absorb Lin's ridiculous contract.
    The Sixers and the Bucks are both supposedly willing to take Lin. I haven't heard what the Bucks are offering, but speculation is:
    Sixers trade a 2nd round 2015 pick to the Rockets for Lin, Capela and the Rockets 2015 1st round pick.

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    What we know so far as has been reported.
    Anthony has not committed yet, and should have by now.
    James has not committed yet, and his people are floating the rumors of Cleveland.
    Riley has low balled Bosh. James has encouraged Bosh to get his big pay day.
    Melo and Labron are on record many times in the past saying they want to play together and just recently as well.

    You connect the dots!

    My gut feeling is that once Bosh gets impatient waiting on James and commits to Houston, the dominoes will begin to fall.
    James and Melo will go to Miami.
    The bee in the bonnet here is Bosh.

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    after the cleveland/boston/brooklyn trade, it's pretty clear now what lebron has done. he has used cleveland again, only this time he used them as the ultimate leverage against miami. 1) he will now get the max from the heat and 2) he will get to decide the fate of bosh.
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    after the cleveland/boston/brooklyn, it's pretty clear now what lebron has done. he has used cleveland again, only this time to get them as the ultimate leverage against miami. 1) he will now get the max from the heat and 2) he will get to decide the fate of bosh.
    I agree.
    In all interviews after games it has always been James with Wade, but never with Bosh. James and Wade are close, that is known.
    What is also known is that Bosh really wants to play with James. But is that feeling mutual? Again connect the dots.
    What I do not understand in all this is why does not Riley and James tell Bosh that he is no longer wanted in Miami, if that is the case?
    And if Bosh has figured all this out already, because he is a smart man, then why is he waiting to accept the Houston offer? Pride? Spite? Resentment? Who knows?
    We do know that Bosh and his family love South Beach, that Bosh wants to stay so he can play there with James.
    So in a sense he is holding James' "Decision Part 2" hostage until he decides on Houston.
    Bosh has become the odd man out, and the key domino in this drama.

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    it's pretty clear now what lebron has done. he has used cleveland again.
    He can't possibly be that big of a d-bag, can he? I'm beginning to think he's going back to Cleveland. It would take such a heartless jerk to make his hometown team go through all that just so that he can have some leverage. That'd be really shocking.

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    I agree.
    In all interviews after games it has always been James with Wade, but never with Bosh. James and Wade are close, that is known.
    What is also known is that Bosh really wants to play with James. But is that feeling mutual? Again connect the dots.
    What I do not understand in all this is why does not Riley and James tell Bosh that he is no longer wanted in Miami, if that is the case?
    And if Bosh has figured all this out already, because he is a smart man, then why is he waiting to accept the Houston offer?
    We know that Bosh and his family love South Beach, that Bosh wants to stay so he can play there with James.
    So in a sense he is holding James' "Decision Part 2" hostage until he decides on Houston.
    Bosh has become the odd man out.
    This has all the makings of epic "Hard Feelings" all next season.

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    I think, purely speculation on my part, that James plan was to use Cleveland to partly get leverage over Miami, but also to convince Bosh that he was going to bolt Miami so that Bosh would leave and go play somewhere else too. Riley low balling Bosh plays into this to further convince Bosh to leave Miami.
    I seriously doubt that James ever had serious intentions to go back to Cleveland especially after the letter by the owner castigating James.
    If James does go back to Cleveland, I will be very surprised and one of the first to say that James is a truly decent man, and it would greatly benefit his legacy especially if he wins at least one championship there.
    But I don't see it happening, it is all a ruse.

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    Anthony has not committed yet, and should have by now.
    why?

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    Someone make a ing move already. Its like watching a fight at a bar between two sticks, throw a punch already!

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    Someone make a ing move already.
    Players can start signing actual contracts at midnight. The dam has to burst soon.

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    He can't possibly be that big of a d-bag, can he? I'm beginning to think he's going back to Cleveland. It would take such a heartless jerk to make his hometown team go through all that just so that he can have some leverage. That'd be really shocking.
    it does seem excessive but i think if there is anything the history of lebron has told us is that his d-baggery knows no limits. even when he appears to be making amends he always seems to make things worse.
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    Because all the cards have been played. N.Y. has the money and future potential, and were expecting his decision last Monday.
    Chicago has the team and part of the money for a championship now.
    L.A. has the good friend, Kobe, the home base where his off season home is, and the ability to pay him the max yet less than N.Y.
    The longer he waits, the less any of those scenarios play out.
    And the more likely it is that something else is going on under the surface IMHO.

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    I think, purely speculation on my part, that James plan was to use Cleveland to partly get leverage over Miami, but also to convince Bosh that he was going to bolt Miami so that Bosh would leave and go play somewhere else too. Riley low balling Bosh plays into this to further convince Bosh to leave Miami.
    I seriously doubt that James ever had serious intentions to go back to Cleveland especially after the letter by the owner castigating James.
    If James does go back to Cleveland, I will be very surprised and one of the first to say that James is a truly decent man, and it would greatly benefit his legacy especially if he wins at least one championship there.
    But I don't see it happening, it is all a ruse.
    that is, unfortunately, what i am seeing as well.

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    Because Anthony told the Knicks he would make his decision on Monday. The "should" isn't as much of a moral "should" than it is a reasonable expectation "should." Had Anthony told the Knicks he wasn't going to announce till Wednesday or even later, then xmas1997 would have no "should" to use. Therefore, Anthony not committing yet helps flames the conspiracy theory, and reportedly wigging out the Knicks.

    Me, I like the drama.

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    man, the cavs FO is going nuts right now...trying to create a lebron james former teammates reunion...

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    Players can start signing actual contracts at midnight. The dam has to burst soon.
    Thank god.

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    Someone make a ing move already. Its like watching a fight at a bar between two sticks, throw a punch already!
    That was funny.

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    From a purely business standpoint the drama is very intriguing and makes for good interesting story.
    How that translates into dollar signs is anybody's guess, maybe only known to a select few.
    One thing for sure, James is a very intelligent man.
    Most probably none of this would have transpired had not Wade's health gone south in the last couple of years, but he can no longer be relied upon like in the days when he was a great player.
    So IMHO this has resulted in "The Decision Part 2" and Bosh being the odd man out of the equation in favor of Melo.


    Now it has been reported on ESPN TV First Take that Melo is now going to wait until after James makes his decision to make his decision.
    So now James continues to hold the league hostage until he decides, all except the Spurs that is.

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    yeah, for someone from a single-parent home and no college education, james does indeed possess a very shrewd business mind.

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    https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/4...989760/photo/1

    just repeats what most of us already think.

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    I think, purely speculation on my part, that James plan was to use Cleveland to partly get leverage over Miami, but also to convince Bosh that he was going to bolt Miami so that Bosh would leave and go play somewhere else too. Riley low balling Bosh plays into this to further convince Bosh to leave Miami.
    I seriously doubt that James ever had serious intentions to go back to Cleveland especially after the letter by the owner castigating James.
    If James does go back to Cleveland, I will be very surprised and one of the first to say that James is a truly decent man, and it would greatly benefit his legacy especially if he wins at least one championship there.
    But I don't see it happening, it is all a ruse.
    I would be a LeBron fan and cheer for him over any team not named Spurs. I would almost go as far as saying LeBron winning it for Cleveland wouldn't bother me if it is Spurs/Cavs next year.

    Return of the king, the parable of the lost son, the city that never won a single le in any major sports and got three top picks in four years, finally winning a le thanks to a player they once hated, it is just too good. I think the league will give LeBron better treatment from refs (think Durant) for this.

    It is truly the most dramatic/touching story line and IMO, even more so than Duncan getting revenge and winning at age 38. I think LeBron's advisers, agents, families are all encouraging him to do this. He may not have a chance to catch Jordan or even Duncan/Kobe, but he would truly walk his own path and have a never-seen-before career.
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    I would be a LeBron fan and cheer for him over any team not named Spurs. I would almost go as far as saying LeBron winning it for Cleveland wouldn't bother me if it is Spurs/Cavs next year.

    Return of the king, the parable of the lost son, the city that never won a single le in any major sports and got three top picks in four years, finally winning a le, it is just too good. I think the league will give LeBron better treatment from refs for this. It is truly the most dramatic/touching story line and IMO even more than Duncan getting revenge and winning at age 38.

    and then there is the flip side of this...

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