Sugar

[Wild Cobra]

It's so full of wrong, did you make something up, again?

OK, show me.

[sickdsm]

Been around for over 40 years. What's your excitement now? Scared that agricultural runoff might match residential pollution?


Also I wasn't aware Wikipedia was a govt controlled source of info. Thanks anyway.

[pgardn]

OK, show me.

What is table sugar?
What is/are the differences between sucrose, glucose and fructose?
What carbohydrate, lipid, or protein is absorbed in the stomach?
What carbohydrate is metabolized in the stomach?
What does metabolized mean?
What carbohydrates are broken down in the stomach?
What does more immediately dissolved in the bloodstream mean?
How is it that a glucose- fructose bond breakage causes something to be sweeter after it has passed through the mouth?
Do glucose-fructose bonds break in the mouth?

So once you have the chance to look this up, because you do look things up, then you will be able to ask some legitimate questions. And then maybe we will both learn something.

Or I can just answer all the questions except for one... Because I am questioning your question in one of them. When it comes to computer stuff I basically read and learn. Same with macroeconomics and many other topics. You just love to wade into almost any conversation that involves some prior knowledge and projectile vomit. And you constantly do this. Why? (Last question)

[boutons_deux]

Been around for over 40 years. What's your excitement now? Scared that agricultural runoff might match residential pollution?Also I wasn't aware Wikipedia was a govt controlled source of info. Thanks anyway.

The widespread overweight/obesity epidemic began about 40 years ago.

"The intermediately sugary HFCS-55, introduced in the late 1970s, is the most commonly used sweetener in U.S. soft drinks."

http://earthsky.org/human-world/a-br...ose-corn-syrup

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/dec2008_Metabolic-Dangers-of-High-Fructose-Corn-Syrup_01.htm

The epidemic of NAFLD and kidney disease also correlates well with the vast expansion of HFCS in damn near everything.

Nutrition is extremely complicated, but the cir stantial evidence against HFCS is pretty strong.

Also, the low-fat scam started in the 1970s. BigFood either created (along with BigMedicine) and/or followed the low-fat scam by replacing most of the fat in their food-like industrial substances with empty carbs like HFCS.

Any time I hear a "certified, diploma'd nutritionist" say "a calorie is a calorie" or "low-fat", I laugh. It's nearly always some who probably took lots of "home ec" in HS.

The low-fat scam very obviously has not produced a low-fat population.

It's really hilarious how you right-wingers/Fox ALWAYS trust/support (Repug)govt or BigCorps when non-right-wingers take a position on ANY issue against govt or BigCorps. It's knee-jerk, faith-based, political/social contrarianism gone crazy.

[Wild Cobra]

Sucrose is a disaccharide. Too large of a molecule to enter the bloodstream before being digested. HFCS, is just two monosaccharides, glucose and fructuse mixed in water, and has a small percentage of higher saccharides, usually under 10%. They are smaller molecules not bonded to anything, and do not require any metabolism to enter the blood. Natural fructose in fruits are bonded to fiber, requiring digestion before it can be absorbed.

[Wild Cobra]

This doesn't address HFCS, but that's because there is no bond between the simple sugars in it.

Interesting link on the digestion of sugars:

http://www.medbio.info/horn/sugars4k...s_digested.htm

[pgardn]

Sucrose is a disaccharide. Too large of a molecule to enter the bloodstream before being digested. HFCS, is just two monosaccharides, glucose and fructuse mixed in water, and has a small percentage of higher saccharides, usually under 10%. They are smaller molecules not bonded to anything, and do not require any metabolism to enter the blood. Natural fructose in fruits are bonded to fiber, requiring digestion before it can be absorbed.

Yea.

So you see your previous errors?

[boutons_deux]

do not require any metabolism to enter the blood

pass through the digestive tract and through the liver without modification, right into the bloodstream?

search "hfcs liver"

assholes here defending Corn-Refiners-Association industrial crap HFCS!

and why the does ty old modern corn need refining anyway?

[Wild Cobra]

Yea.

So you see your previous errors?

I see a minor miss-recollection that doesn't invalidate my point, and that I corrected.

What do you see?

Remember, I started with: "I don't know all the biological science between thse, but what I gather"

This was something I studied in the past, and simply didn't recall 100%.

Again, what do you see? Anything of importance?

[sickdsm]

The widespread overweight/obesity epidemic began about 40 years ago.

"The intermediately sugary HFCS-55, introduced in the late 1970s, is the most commonly used sweetener in U.S. soft drinks."

http://earthsky.org/human-world/a-br...ose-corn-syrup

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/dec2008_Metabolic-Dangers-of-High-Fructose-Corn-Syrup_01.htm

The epidemic of NAFLD and kidney disease also correlates well with the vast expansion of HFCS in damn near everything.

Nutrition is extremely complicated, but the cir stantial evidence against HFCS is pretty strong.

Also, the low-fat scam started in the 1970s. BigFood either created (along with BigMedicine) and/or followed the low-fat scam by replacing most of the fat in their food-like industrial substances with empty carbs like HFCS.

Any time I hear a "certified, diploma'd nutritionist" say "a calorie is a calorie" or "low-fat", I laugh. It's nearly always some who probably took lots of "home ec" in HS.

The low-fat scam very obviously has not produced a low-fat population.

It's really hilarious how you right-wingers/Fox ALWAYS trust/support (Repug)govt or BigCorps when non-right-wingers take a position on ANY issue against govt or BigCorps. It's knee-jerk, faith-based, political/social contrarianism gone crazy.

Lolz. I was responding to your trash about herbicide and you come back with obesity and sugar.

It's all agent oranges fault, amirite?

[Wild Cobra]

pass through the digestive tract and through the liver without modification, right into the bloodstream?

search "hfcs liver"

assholes here defending Corn-Refiners-Association industrial crap HFCS!

and why the does ty old modern corn need refining anyway?

I understand the liver/fructose conversion to cholesterol. Fructose also doesn't cause an insulin response like glucose does.

[sickdsm]

pass through the digestive tract and through the liver without modification, right into the bloodstream?

search "hfcs liver"

assholes here defending Corn-Refiners-Association industrial crap HFCS!

and why the does ty old modern corn need refining anyway?

Why do most foods need to be refined? Grind some beet pulp in your coffee or purée some cane the next time you bake a cake.

[pgardn]

I don't know all the biological science between thse, but what I gather, regular table sugar and HFCS have the same two molecule components. The difference is table sugar is made from sugar cane, beets, etc, and the fructose glucose content are a perfect 50%/50%. It is a more stable molecule and not absorbed in the stomach, but requires metabolism in the small intestine. This leads to positive nutrition for the gut flora to digest our foods. HFCS on the other hand are not in this complimentary 50/50 mix, processed to enhance sweetness, and much of the molecules break down in the stomach, being more immediately dissolved in our bloodstream rather than being broken down before entering the bloodstream. Once the glucose-fructose bond is broken, it can directly pass into the blood. Probably why it is sweeter also. Breaks down more readily in out mouth.

there are 3 molecules sucrose, glucose and fructose... They are different molecules. One sucrose molecule (table sugar) is very different from one individual fructose and one individual glucose. Your body reacts differently to each...

Do I need to continue? This is just the start...

[pgardn]

What is table sugar?
What is/are the differences between sucrose, glucose and fructose?
What carbohydrate, lipid, or protein is absorbed in the stomach?
What carbohydrate is metabolized in the stomach?
What does metabolized mean?
What carbohydrates are broken down in the stomach?
What does more immediately dissolved in the bloodstream mean?
How is it that a glucose- fructose bond breakage causes something to be sweeter after it has passed through the mouth?
Do glucose-fructose bonds break in the mouth?

There is all the above still. I answered the first and second in my previous post. Then we can go on to why HFCS is so popular with the food industry. Boutons stuff.

[Wild Cobra]

there are 3 molecules sucrose, glucose and fructose... They are different molecules. One sucrose molecule (table sugar) is very different from one individual fructose and one individual glucose. Your body reacts differently to each...

Do I need to continue? This is just the start...

Agreed.

So?

What makes you think I don't understand, especially after my later posts?

[Wild Cobra]

There is all the above still. I answered the first and second in my previous post. Then we can go on to why HFCS is so popular with the food industry. Boutons stuff.

I understand these aspects. I don't like HFCS and avoid it when I can. I will consume small quan ies when I have limited choices.

I'm not going to play a 20 questions when I have better things to do.

I was attempting to show that not all sugars are equal like so many HFCS pushers like to claim. That they do metabolize differently.

[pgardn]

What carbohydrate, lipid, or protein is absorbed in the stomach?
What carbohydrate is metabolized in the stomach?
What does metabolized mean?
What carbohydrates are broken down in the stomach?
What does more immediately dissolved in the bloodstream mean?
How is it that a glucose- fructose bond breakage causes something to be sweeter after it has passed through the mouth?
Do glucose-fructose bonds break in the mouth?



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Answer them.
You wanted to know, do your work.

[Wild Cobra]

Answer them.
You wanted to know, do your work.

I have no intention of wasting my time.

If you need those answers, you go look.

Do you agree they three sugars metabolize differently or not?

[pgardn]

I understand these aspects. I don't like HFCS and avoid it when I can. I will consume small quan ies when I have limited choices.

I'm not going to play a 20 questions when I have better things to do.

I was attempting to show that not all sugars are equal like so many HFCS pushers like to claim. That they do metabolize differently.

Then don't ask me to correct your massive wrongness.

[pgardn]

OK, show me.

I know the answers.
The questions were for your understanding that you did, and then did not want.

Do we revisit public education in Texas and Capacitors again as well...
How is the board supposed to give credence to your climate stuff when there are so many other outright wrongs... Or anything for that manner. Establish some sort of reliability for gods sake.

[Wild Cobra]

I know the answers.
The questions were for your understanding that you did, and then did not want.

Do we revisit public education in Texas and Capacitors again as well...
How is the board supposed to give credence to your climate stuff when there are so many other outright wrongs... Or anything for that manner. Establish some sort of reliability for gods sake.

Why are you such an ass, and cannot accept when people revise what they mistakenly said before?

What does that say about your lack of character FuzzyToo?

[Wild Cobra]

Then don't ask me to correct your massive wrongness.

There was no "massive wrongness" to correct after I revised my initial words.

[pgardn]

Why are you such an ass, and cannot accept when people revise what they mistakenly said before?

What does that say about your lack of character FuzzyToo?

The ass is a person who randomly puts stuff up and asks to be taken seriously.
Just don't comment on stuff you don't know about, is that so difficult?

And then certainly don't ask for clarification. It's not that hard. Opinions are welcome. Just don't lace them with stuff that is flat out wrong. I will report you to the better consumer of carb bureau for intended contamination of product.

[pgardn]

There was no "massive wrongness" to correct after I revised my initial words.

Yes there is.
At least the way you presented it, massive.

[Wild Cobra]

Yes there is.
At least the way you presented it, massive.

Yet you wont prove I'm wrong.

Goodday.