2014 Spurs Summer League Thread

[littlecoyotecoin]

5 years of failure isn't day trading. That's called a capital loss.

You can day-trade for a week and stop. He played all of 8 games in Toronto. He's been in the league five years, but he hasn't played 5 years. Again, I'm content letting Chip and Pop make this determination.


If one game was all it took then Darius Washington would still be our back-up PG.

One isn't enough, but two is. That's the point. He shot well in the RS with us. He is regarded as a good shooter, but two games in summer league, and now he's no longer a shooter. Nothing like bad shooting to take people's eyes off of your physique, though. If he ever starts nailing the jumpers, we can go back to discussing his weight.

If they cut him, I won't second guess them, at this point. But, I can still see them holding onto him for a plethora of reasons.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Cuts both ways buddy, if Daye has a great game, it kind of proves your point. SL just really a showcase of what they can possibly offer. Daye has his whole career to prove he can shoot.

Heh, yup. His whole career. Be it a season, month, week, or today.

It actually looked like, in the beginning of today's game, that he was passing up a couple of open looks, and they yanked his ass. Then, when they subbed him back in, he started firing away like that first game. I think he may have the green light. Some have been calling him a ball stopper, but I think they want him shooting a lot of shots. Another poster commented in another thread that the whole team's legs look tired as all of them were clanking short. He queried as to whether or not Ime may have been busting their asses in practice. I promise not to lose any sleep over it.

[Darkwaters]

One isn't enough, but two is. That's the point. He shot well in the RS with us. He is regarded as a good shooter, but two games in summer league, and now he's no longer a shooter. Nothing like bad shooting to take people's eyes off of your physique, though. If he ever starts nailing the jumpers, we can go back to discussing his weight.

If they cut him, I won't second guess them, at this point. But, I can still see them holding onto him for a plethora of reasons.

That's selective memory at its worst.

Austin Daye shot 41% from 3 for us last season. Sounds awesome on the surface. But if you look at the actual numbers he was 12-29 on the season. Thats it! 29 attempts.

To make it worse, the guy had one hot game where he went 6-10 from 3. That was the Spurs vs. 76ers game on March 24th (http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400489927). It was an awesome game and definitely a credit to him. Then again, the 76ers were one of the worst teams in NBA history last season and they were riding a 24 game losing streak when they showed up. Not exactly stout compe ion...

While that game was great, it's an obvious outlier. If you take that one game away he was 6-19 or 32% for the season. Not exactly getting it done in any respect. Definitely not "shooting well" as you say.

Also, his overall FG% was 38% when playing for us last season. That includes all shots - even that really hot game he had. If we only look at his 2 pt shots he went 9 for 26 or 34.5%. Again - garbage.

Don't tell me he was a good player for us last year. It's just a fantasy of yours.

[Russ]

Jackie Butler vs Ayers in a poll of who people consider as the bigger salary waste might be interesting.

Even more interesting -- that both came highly recommended by coaches whom Pop greatly respected.

Butler by Pop's mentor Larry Brown

Ayers by Pop's assistant Jim Boylen.

Neither would have even sniffed the Spurs roster without these endorsements.

With friends like these . . . .

[Darkwaters]

You can day-trade for a week and stop. He played all of 8 games in Toronto. He's been in the league five years, but he hasn't played 5 years. Again, I'm content letting Chip and Pop make this determination.

Ever think that maybe theres a reason he only played 8 games and got traded for Nando de freaking Colo?

[littlecoyotecoin]

5 years of failure isn't day trading. That's called a capital loss.



If one game was all it took then Darius Washington would still be our back-up PG.

Last year, he played 8 games in Toronto and 14 with us. He got paid, but that's not exactly "a year in the NBA". Or, all years do not convey the same experience. A lot of his other time was spent this way, too...bouncing around. Maybe deservedly, but trotting out the 5 year veteran line is comical. And, I see in another post you're saying I am claiming he was a "good player for us last year". Slow down. I never claimed that.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Ever think that maybe theres a reason he only played 8 games and got traded for Nando de freaking Colo?

Is that how we got him? Really, that's not an argument. Bad trades are made all the time. We traded Hill for Kawhi, basically. Do you feel they are equally talented? We even got Bertans in, to boot.

[littlecoyotecoin]

That's selective memory at its worst.

Austin Daye shot 41% from 3 for us last season. Sounds awesome on the surface. But if you look at the actual numbers he was 12-29 on the season. Thats it! 29 attempts.

To make it worse, the guy had one hot game where he went 6-10 from 3. That was the Spurs vs. 76ers game on March 24th (http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400489927). It was an awesome game and definitely a credit to him. Then again, the 76ers were one of the worst teams in NBA history last season and they were riding a 24 game losing streak when they showed up. Not exactly stout compe ion...

While that game was great, it's an obvious outlier. If you take that one game away he was 6-19 or 32% for the season. Not exactly getting it done in any respect. Definitely not "shooting well" as you say.

Also, his overall FG% was 38% when playing for us last season. That includes all shots - even that really hot game he had. If we only look at his 2 pt shots he went 9 for 26 or 34.5%. Again - garbage.

Don't tell me he was a good player for us last year. It's just a fantasy of yours.

Unfortunately, you don't get to cherry pick your data like that. Essentially, you are saying that if you ignore his good shooting streaks, his numbers fall. Good for him that holds true for every player in the history of the sport. To be honest, I thought he had a little way to go to reach his RS shot attempts in summer league. He isn't doing himself any favors, granted.

[Obstructed_View]

Daye is awful. At this point, even if he has an Anthony Tolliver game, I don't think the Spurs are going to save a roster spot for him.

[Darkwaters]

Unfortunately, you don't get to cherry pick your data like that. Essentially, you are saying that if you ignore his good shooting streaks, his numbers fall. Good for him that holds true for every player in the history of the sport. To be honest, I thought he had a little way to go to reach his RS shot attempts in summer league. He isn't doing himself any favors, granted.

I argued that he had one good game. You refuted that saying he had a great season for us. I just proved my point and disproved yours. Don't try and change the topic.

[littlecoyotecoin]

That's selective memory at its worst.

Austin Daye shot 41% from 3 for us last season. Sounds awesome on the surface. But if you look at the actual numbers he was 12-29 on the season. Thats it! 29 attempts.

To make it worse, the guy had one hot game where he went 6-10 from 3. That was the Spurs vs. 76ers game on March 24th (http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400489927). It was an awesome game and definitely a credit to him. Then again, the 76ers were one of the worst teams in NBA history last season and they were riding a 24 game losing streak when they showed up. Not exactly stout compe ion...

While that game was great, it's an obvious outlier. If you take that one game away he was 6-19 or 32% for the season. Not exactly getting it done in any respect. Definitely not "shooting well" as you say.

Also, his overall FG% was 38% when playing for us last season. That includes all shots - even that really hot game he had. If we only look at his 2 pt shots he went 9 for 26 or 34.5%. Again - garbage.

Don't tell me he was a good player for us last year. It's just a fantasy of yours.

He went 2/2 vs The Heat, ANOTHER outlier. Throw out all the outliers, but just the positive outliers. It doesn't work that way. I don't like to get into too many numbers discussions, but I actually have a degree in mathematics. I understand a little bit about it.

[littlecoyotecoin]

I argued that he had one good game. You refuted that saying he had a great season for us. I just proved my point and disproved yours. Don't try and change the topic.

Point to the post where I said: "He had a great season for us."

[DPG21920]

Daye is awful. At this point, even if he has an Anthony Tolliver game, I don't think the Spurs are going to save a roster spot for him.

I know he's cheap and can be cut, but I don't know what the Spurs were thinking picking up his option?

[Obstructed_View]

I know he's cheap and can be cut, but I don't know what the Spurs were thinking picking up his option?

Oh I think it was probably worth it. If you're going to trade for him and take a chance on him, you needed to see him in the summer league. I have no problem with finding out if he can play. He can't. The only person on that roster more frustrating than he is (that we actually give a about) is Ayres.

[Darkwaters]

Is that how we got him? Really, that's not an argument. Bad trades are made all the time. We traded Hill for Kawhi, basically. Do you feel they are equally talented? We even got Bertans in, to boot.

So this was a bad trade? For whom? Seems to me neither team got a rotation player - or anyone of consequence. So you think we fleeced Toronto? Seriously? In what world?

Your argument makes no sense.

[Obstructed_View]

He went 2/2 vs The Heat, ANOTHER outlier. Throw out all the outliers, but just the positive outliers. It doesn't work that way. I don't like to get into too many numbers discussions, but I actually have a degree in mathematics. I understand a little bit about it.

Scary thing is, the Spurs don't understand that stuff. They signed Gary Neal and Anthony Tolliver based on hot shooting in a single SL game. Fortunately they batted .500 on that. I'm hoping nobody gets hot from downtown going forward.

[littlecoyotecoin]

I argued that he had one good game. You refuted that saying he had a great season for us. I just proved my point and disproved yours. Don't try and change the topic.

And, no, you didn't prove your point, you cherry picked the data in an ATTEMPT to prove your point

[DPG21920]

Oh I think it was probably worth it. If you're going to trade for him and take a chance on him, you needed to see him in the summer league. I have no problem with finding out if he can play. He can't. The only person on that roster more frustrating than he is (that we actually give a about) is Ayres.

No one understands the Ayres moves. He's just not an NBA player anymore. But with regards to Daye, it's not like they gave up an asset for him. It was basically just a try and do good deal by Nando with only small financial ramifications. Daye has been around and is not someone new. Spurs should have had plenty of tape on him.

Hopefully he and Ayres are traded or cut to open up roster spots for guys with more upside.

[Obstructed_View]

So this was a bad trade? For whom? Seems to me neither team got a rotation player - or anyone of consequence.

I agree. The Spurs got, at worst, equal value for a guy who couldn't cut it in the NBA. At least Daye, unlike De Colo has the physical tools to go with the lack of a work ethic.

[Darkwaters]

Point to the post where I said: "He had a great season for us."

I already did.

One isn't enough, but two is. That's the point. He shot well in the RS with us. He is regarded as a good shooter, but two games in summer league, and now he's no longer a shooter. Nothing like bad shooting to take people's eyes off of your physique, though. If he ever starts nailing the jumpers, we can go back to discussing his weight.

If they cut him, I won't second guess them, at this point. But, I can still see them holding onto him for a plethora of reasons.

Are you seriously not paying attention?

I said he had one good game in the season and nothing else.

You responded with the above post saying he shot well in the RS.

I pulled the numbers and disproved you completely.

Now you're about to argue semantics with me and try and save face.

[Darkwaters]

And, no, you didn't prove your point, you cherry picked the data in an ATTEMPT to prove your point

How did I cherry pick anything? You said "he shot well in the RS with us." So I pulled the numbers for the ENTIRE regular season and proved that the numbers are skewed based on one outlier performance. How is that cherry picking in any sense of the word?

[Mel_13]

No one understands the Ayres moves. He's just not an NBA player anymore. But with regards to Daye, it's not like they gave up an asset for him. It was basically just a try and do good deal by Nando with only small financial ramifications. Daye has been around and is not someone new. Spurs should have had plenty of tape on him.

Hopefully he and Ayres are traded or cut to open up roster spots for guys with more upside.

The playoffs were almost two months long. Daye was working with the coaching staff that entire time. My guess is that they saw enough to extend his audition through the summer. At most, it will cost them about 800k if it doesn't work out and they have to waive him. His contract can also be useful as ballast in a trade.

[littlecoyotecoin]

So this was a bad trade? For whom? Seems to me neither team got a rotation player - or anyone of consequence. So you think we fleeced Toronto? Seriously? In what world?

Your argument makes no sense.

Ay yay yay. No. You suggested that Daye is not good because he was traded for Nando that is not good. I attempted to explain to you that that is a non-sequitur, and gave the Kawhi trade as an example of why. What happened next was you didn't understand.

[Darkwaters]

The playoffs were almost two months long. Daye was working with the coaching staff that entire time. My guess is that they saw enough to extend his audition through the summer. At most, it will cost them about 800k if it doesn't work out and they have to waive him. His contract can also be useful as ballast in a trade.

Chances were that they were going to bring in a journeyman with similar abilities for Training Camp. Had Daye been cut by someone else and available on the open market he very well could have been that signee himself. Instead he was already on the roster so they just rolled with him. He still probably faces the same trials as any other camp invitee....just with a little head start.

[DPG21920]

The playoffs were almost two months long. Daye was working with the coaching staff that entire time. My guess is that they saw enough to extend his audition through the summer. At most, it will cost them about 800k if it doesn't work out and they have to waive him. His contract can also be useful as ballast in a trade.

Definitely - at the end of the day it's small potatoes in the real world especially with LT in no danger (even if they use MLE). But just don't get what the heck they saw in Ayres and Daye