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Can't fault him for his effort, tbh. Nice to have a member of the big team on the SL squad for a lot of reasons.
Nah, I'm pretty much with you on that. I've spent a lot of text on this forum bashing him. He's just not very good, but willingness to go to SL shows that he's a good pro, just like playing smart when he's needed. You sort of can't ask much more of a guy with limited ability. These are the best basketball players in the world, after all.
Can't fault him for his effort, tbh. Nice to have a member of the big team on the SL squad for a lot of reasons.
Unbelievable that our summer league game isn't on NBAtv tomorrow. 5:30 central time vs the Pelicans. Were all gunna have to go to some obscure link that will lag like and be full of ty ads that we'll have to keep closing and the quality will be . And it will freeze.
Can't wait.
I just can't believe Ayres' shot's gone. That just wrecks his ability to fit on this roster. He pretty much has everything else he needs to be a good PF. Except hands, of course.
Don't really understand why Richards is even there if he's going to get dnp'd. It's not a long summer league. Maybe he's been a bad at ude guy behind the scenes, maybe they're just seeing if he'll crack, I don't know.
It's also fairly annoying for Bertans and LJC practicing but not playing. Just from the standpoint of a viewer. So little of interest beyond Anderson. I've seen Bertans, he would be impressive against these teams. Maybe that's a problem, maybe he'd look so good the spurs would feel pressure to sign him
I think I'm going to just break down and spend the five bucks to watch it on my iPad, especially if it's going to be difficult for everyone else to see it. I've managed to avoid giving any money to the NBA for ten years or so now. I guess it's time.
It's probably a good strategy. Richards is the poster child for coasting on talent, and he's done it for years. Time to show him that he's not going to just get handed playing time. Hope he makes the most of the minutes he's given for a change.
Spotlight on Kyle Anderson against the Cavs.
http://spurshomer.blogspot.com/2014/...derson_13.html
Thoughts
Jeff Ayers: I don't even think he would be dominant on a D-League team. He's getting outworked in summer league and looks like he doesn't belong. I wonder if anyone in the league would even take him unless we paid him to. I would much rather have an open roster spot than to call him depth.
Austin Daye: I'm not impressed with his play. He seems like a poor man's Kyle Anderson. I would much rather have his shots going to Kyle and his distribution. If the Spurs were auditioning Austin and Jeff, I doubt anyone would be interested. Perhaps, he's just having a bad shooting stretch. The troubling part is that he is getting quality looks.
DeShaun Thomas: DeShaun has been balling. He has been the most consistent player so far. I would much rather have him taking Austin's spot. He seems ready and he does have an NBA skill -- he can score. He's very effective and it's been two straight summer leagues. Last year he started off strong but finished on low, so if he shows he can finish strong he might have a shot at a camp invite. If we really cared about winning in summer league this guy would be starting instead of Daye.
It's not wrong. You may not like it, but it's not wrong. We were discussing Daye's shooting in the regular season, especially his 3 point shooting. Dark wants to throw out 34% of the data because it doesn't support his conclusion. You don't get to call 34% of the data an outlier. That would be frowned upon.
There is merit to what you are describing with Neal and Tolliver shooting poorly but actually being "good" or shooting well but actually being "poor" and making a faulty conclusion in those instances are described by Type I and II errors... But this can get really boring in a hurry.
I don't have a dog in this race, so what I like isn't a factor. Please understand that it's not personal to me in any way. The fact remains that you're wrong. You can't make a correct judgment off one hot shooting game, but you can make a more-accurate judgment if he never manages to have a subsequent one. I don't have a degree in math, but I understand how basketball works.
You're making a different argument. You are right about that other argument.
Better question when is last time Spurs cut a player they were on the hook for? SJax?
Malcolm Thomas in January of this year.
I think unless there's some possibility for a trade, Ayres will play out his contract with the Spurs. I'm not thrilled about it, but I think it has to do with being a relatively cheap contract, knows his role as minute burner, and the Spurs will need big bodies to play due to Diaw and Splitter playing in the Worlds, and likely needing some extra rest during the RS... with Bonner back and Ayres, I think the Spurs are still short one more guy to burn minutes.
Daye might be in more danger of being cut than Ayers.
They're showing it at like 3AM the following day. I have it set to record.
Don't waste your breath
He wants to argue semantics. The truth is that Daye has had one good shooting performance since he became a Spur. Has he replicated it since? No. Not in the regular season. Not in the playoffs (he never played). Not in Summer League. Eventually he probably will have a hot shooting game again. But until he can string them together with more regularity I don't see the point. His one main "skill" is so inconsistent that it is completely unreliable.
Last edited by Darkwaters; 07-13-2014 at 11:55 PM.
You wanted me to address your numbers, and I point out your ridiculous flaw, but you continue to dismiss it as semantics. You've got plenty of semantics floating around, too, like what is a "hot" game and what is not. There were 29 data points, and you wanted to go through them, parsing the ones that don't support your conclusion. Classic flaw. It is a small sample, and small samples can lead to faulty conclusions more often than large samples, but that doesn't mean you get to throw out 34% of the small sample to prove your point. Unfortunately, when we are talking about his regular season shooting, that is all we have to work with.
To clarify....a player with a contract over a million, not the normal cheap guys they sign for weeks on end and eventually finalize.
If you can't afford $5, you might have more pressing issues.
You're looking at it as a series of shots. 29 shots.
I'm looking at it as a series of games. 14 games.
I tossed out 1 game, or 7% of the data.
My point is that through 13 games, or 93% of the data, he was only able to shoot 31.5%. In other words, he consistently shoots poorly.
And again, even without eliminating any data, he only shot 38% from the field in all 14 games, and all 55 shots that he took. Hence, the assertion that the statement that he "shot well for us in the RS," while subjective, is wrong.
I'll go even further, for his career he is a 35% 3pt shooter. Not a terrible number honestly, but not a deadeye shooter either. His career FG% is just over 40%. Thats terrible. Especially for a guy that is mostly a spot-up shooter.
By the way, he shot 41.3% and 42.9% in college from the 3 point line for two years. Large samples, and very much in line with the 41% he shot in the small sample with The Spurs. Of course, three feet further, and 5 years of maturity, so not a direct comparison, but relevant if you want to start looking outside the 29 shots in the regular season. He really has only been inconsistent between college and The Spurs. When on ty teams, and in summer league.
His 41% shooting doesn't differentiate when one game ends and another begins. Only you did that, to justify your conclusion.
LMAO, 7% of the data. You win.
Noted. But again, as you say, not a great comparison as the line is shorter. Plus, the quality of compe ion is much higher at the NBA level - especially with NBA length and level athletes that you don't see at Gonzaga.
The biggest problem with Daye is that he doesn't consistently get rebounds, assists, steals or blocks. Despite his good length, his defense is well below average. His FT shooting is good, but not great (not that he gets to the line). Really the only thing he brings is shooting. And as I've listed, since he came to the NBA hes very "meh" in even that department. He was drafted because of those numbers that you listed from college. But since college he has been incapable of consistently performing and shooting to that standard. Just look at his games played since he entered the league:
09-10: 69 (Detroit)
10-11: 72 (Detroit)
11-12: 41 (Detroit)
12-13: 55 (24 in Detroit, 31 in Memphis)
13-14: 22 (8 in Toronto, 14 in SA)
There is an obvious decline in his games played. He has not reached his potential, and is little more than an after thought. That obviously creates a shortfall in data for analysis. But his inability to get on the court is perhaps the most telling stat. He sucks. At best hes a fringe NBA player. More likely, he needs to move to Turkey or Spain.
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